If you had to stick to one DAW, which one would it be?

[pdxindy]

ok then, let them decide what we can say(or read) and what we can’t. sounds about right.

It's their website... they can run it how they want. And for the most part it works pretty well.

[pdxindy]

With Bitwig, they're brilliant and innovative, but seem to be completely oblivious to wider user-base needs and thus neglect the basic workflow features ...

Can you give an example? I like Bitwig workflow much better than Ableton. And the main factor in that is a proper mix view, the Session/Arranger in one screen and better use of the upper half of the screen when working with devices.

The Bitwig devs do not neglect basic workflow features... neither are they completely oblivious... and antic does not know what the wider user-base needs are. He just gets grumpy sometimes and makes such all encompassing statements.

[EnochLight]

If your saying Cubase is not a professional Daw, then I have no idea what you would consider a professional daw to need?


Is it because it doesn’t have OTT?
That can be arranged you know...

My GIF was meant as tongue-in-cheek, as most DAW are "professional". Insinuating Cubase is the only one is just madness and grossly out of touch with reality, IMHO.

[dellboy]

The Bitwig devs do not neglect basic workflow features... neither are they completely oblivious... and antic does not know what the wider user-base needs are. He just gets grumpy sometimes and makes such all encompassing statements.

Bitwig does not have a "wider" user base in the normal sense of the word, they have decided for better or worse to narrow their appeal to a niche market. If they decide to truly "widen" their user base they will need to develop the arranger side and adopt features like Pro-Tools\Cubase\Logic\Studio One have and they show no signs of ever going that route.

[Spencer Maddox]

No, the removal of someone who knowingly went out of their way to make a display of breaking forum rules, and being a racist c**t.

I kinda wish KVR would leave up the posts in question though. Going back through his last 5 or so posts there's nothing crazy, not that I don't believe that he posted racist stuff, but it's always weird not to see the damage trail.

True, but KVRs reputation is hurt if it allows such stuff to be visible, no matter what our curiosity may be. Audio Companies won't want their Ads posted around some dude yelling racist shit at clouds.

ok then, let them decide what we can say(or read) and what we can’t. sounds about right.

Oh please this argument again. I don’t know how many times it needs to be explained. KVR, and most social media platforms, are private entity’s and they can theoretically make whatever rules they want. That’s within their right.
If that makes you mad then I don’t know what to tell you, it’s just the way it is.

[Spencer Maddox]

If your saying Cubase is not a professional Daw, then I have no idea what you would consider a professional daw to need?


Is it because it doesn’t have OTT?
That can be arranged you know...

My GIF was meant as tongue-in-cheek, as most DAW are "professional". Insinuating Cubase is the only one is just madness and grossly out of touch with reality, IMHO.

Ah, I understand now. The sarcasm was not detected and that was on Me, My bad

I agree it’s crazy to say Cubase is the *only* pro daw there is. I haven’t seen anyone say that but That is definitely detached from reality.

[EnochLight]

Ah, I understand now. The sarcasm was not detected and that was on Me, My bad

I agree it’s crazy to say Cubase is the *only* pro daw there is. I haven’t seen anyone say that but That is definitely detached from reality.

Forum member "oqion" sort of alluded to it a couple of pages back when I expressed surprise that it was so popular here. Anyway, it's all good. Everyone loves the DAW they love, pretty much.

[pdxindy]

Bitwig does not have a "wider" user base in the normal sense of the word, they have decided for better or worse to narrow their appeal to a niche market. If they decide to truly "widen" their user base they will need to develop the arranger side and adopt features like Pro-Tools\Cubase\Logic\Studio One have and they show no signs of ever going that route.

• There are already a wide range of different users who work with Bitwig. That can be discerned from reading the Bitwig forum over time.
• No, Bitwig did not decide to narrow their appeal to a niche market
• Bitwig recently added Comping... that is the type of feature you claim they show no signs of ever adding.

Obviously they are not trying to be a Pro Tools or Studio One clone. They are developing their own vision and that includes developing the arranger... just not exclusively. And development takes time.

[xbitz]

The Bitwig devs do not neglect basic workflow features... neither are they completely oblivious... and antic does not know what the wider user-base needs are. He just gets grumpy sometimes and makes such all encompassing statements.

Bitwig does not have a "wider" user base in the normal sense of the word, they have decided for better or worse to narrow their appeal to a niche market. If they decide to truly "widen" their user base they will need to develop the arranger side and adopt features like Pro-Tools\Cubase\Logic\Studio One have and they show no signs of ever going that route.

Bitwig not a DAW but this

in a virtual environment, just the devs have added DAW like features to it, so can be used as a DAW but it has a different primary purpose (similarly to AL which is a live performance tool but can be used as a DAW even without a mixer)

sry if I was Captain Obvious anyway if you start to use Bitwig as a modular environment every feature (or why some of them are missing ones) of it makes sense instantly

[EnochLight]

Bitwig not a DAW but this

in a virtual environment, just the devs have added DAW like features to it, so can be used as a DAW but it has a different primary purpose (similarly to AL which is a live performance tool but can be used as a DAW even without a mixer)

sry if I was Captain Obvious anyway if you start to use Bitwig as a modular environment every feature (or why some of them are missing ones) of it got makes sense instantly

Holy crap - that's Chris Corner from Sneaker Pimps (sorry, IAMX)! Loved those guys back in the day. Had no idea he was into modular.

[Serhii Kot]

No, the removal of someone who knowingly went out of their way to make a display of breaking forum rules, and being a racist c**t.

I kinda wish KVR would leave up the posts in question though. Going back through his last 5 or so posts there's nothing crazy, not that I don't believe that he posted racist stuff, but it's always weird not to see the damage trail.

True, but KVRs reputation is hurt if it allows such stuff to be visible, no matter what our curiosity may be. Audio Companies won't want their Ads posted around some dude yelling racist shit at clouds.

ok then, let them decide what we can say(or read) and what we can’t. sounds about right.

Oh please this argument again. I don’t know how many times it needs to be explained. KVR, and most social media platforms, are private entity’s and they can theoretically make whatever rules they want. That’s within their right.
If that makes you mad then I don’t know what to tell you, it’s just the way it is.

Sorry, I do not buy that. kvr itself is nothing without its users. So it is in the user's power to create or negotiate community rules and who to banish from the platform. But, how can I decide for myself if I can't find and read "racist stuff" to decide for myself about this?

Also, too much PC(political correctness) stuff and all just self censuring in fear to offend someone. Anyway, this is how it is nowadays.

[vurt]

No, the removal of someone who knowingly went out of their way to make a display of breaking forum rules, and being a racist c**t.

I kinda wish KVR would leave up the posts in question though. Going back through his last 5 or so posts there's nothing crazy, not that I don't believe that he posted racist stuff, but it's always weird not to see the damage trail.

True, but KVRs reputation is hurt if it allows such stuff to be visible, no matter what our curiosity may be. Audio Companies won't want their Ads posted around some dude yelling racist shit at clouds.

ok then, let them decide what we can say(or read) and what we can’t. sounds about right.

Oh please this argument again. I don’t know how many times it needs to be explained. KVR, and most social media platforms, are private entity’s and they can theoretically make whatever rules they want. That’s within their right.
If that makes you mad then I don’t know what to tell you, it’s just the way it is.

Sorry, I do not buy that. kvr itself is nothing without its users. So it is in the user's power to create or negotiate community rules and who to banish from the platform. But, how can I decide for myself if I can't find and read "racist stuff" to decide for myself about this?

Also, too much PC(political correctness) stuff and all just self censuring in fear to offend someone. Anyway, this is how it is nowadays.

the majority of users don't want to read that shit either.

and you are free to offend, so long as you realise that may carry consequences. like the real world.

[donkey tugger]

No, the removal of someone who knowingly went out of their way to make a display of breaking forum rules, and being a racist c**t.

I kinda wish KVR would leave up the posts in question though. Going back through his last 5 or so posts there's nothing crazy, not that I don't believe that he posted racist stuff, but it's always weird not to see the damage trail.

True, but KVRs reputation is hurt if it allows such stuff to be visible, no matter what our curiosity may be. Audio Companies won't want their Ads posted around some dude yelling racist shit at clouds.

ok then, let them decide what we can say(or read) and what we can’t. sounds about right.

Oh please this argument again. I don’t know how many times it needs to be explained. KVR, and most social media platforms, are private entity’s and they can theoretically make whatever rules they want. That’s within their right.
If that makes you mad then I don’t know what to tell you, it’s just the way it is.

Sorry, I do not buy that. kvr itself is nothing without its users. So it is in the user's power to create or negotiate community rules and who to banish from the platform. But, how can I decide for myself if I can't find and read "racist stuff" to decide for myself about this?

Also, too much PC(political correctness) stuff and all just self censuring in fear to offend someone. Anyway, this is how it is nowadays.

From the site rules;

"Posting of any material, or links to any material (images/text/audio/video) deemed by a moderator to be pornographic, inflammatory, inciteful, racist, overtly political, illegal or generally offensive or inappropriate will result in your post being edited / deleted, and you may be issued with a warning and / or a ban."

If you want somewhere to indulge a penchant for edgelord (cough) libertarian twattery then other websites do exist.

[vurt]

or in simple terms, don't be a dick, but if you do feel some urge to be a dick, don't be surprised, when people treat you, like a dick.

[whyterabbyt]

Sorry, I do not buy that.

Tough. That's how it is, whether you buy it or not.

kvr itself is nothing without its users.

KVR has been deleting racist posts and kicking the posters out for 20 years. So its quite successfully managed to be something without that shit.

Once again; if you dont like it that way, you know where the door is.