If you had to stick to one DAW, which one would it be?

[vurt]

the nowadays bit is odd, at no time in my life (here at least) has hate speech been acceptable?

[elxsound]

No, the removal of someone who knowingly went out of their way to make a display of breaking forum rules, and being a racist c**t.

I kinda wish KVR would leave up the posts in question though. Going back through his last 5 or so posts there's nothing crazy, not that I don't believe that he posted racist stuff, but it's always weird not to see the damage trail.

True, but KVRs reputation is hurt if it allows such stuff to be visible, no matter what our curiosity may be. Audio Companies won't want their Ads posted around some dude yelling racist shit at clouds.

ok then, let them decide what we can say(or read) and what we can’t. sounds about right.

Oh please this argument again. I don’t know how many times it needs to be explained. KVR, and most social media platforms, are private entity’s and they can theoretically make whatever rules they want. That’s within their right.
If that makes you mad then I don’t know what to tell you, it’s just the way it is.

Sorry, I do not buy that. kvr itself is nothing without its users. So it is in the user's power to create or negotiate community rules and who to banish from the platform. But, how can I decide for myself if I can't find and read "racist stuff" to decide for myself about this?

Also, too much PC(political correctness) stuff and all just self censuring in fear to offend someone. Anyway, this is how it is nowadays.

For f**ks sake. There’s no debate on this.

He literally created a thread that was against the rules for the purpose of being banned.

That’s it. He did it on purpose. Yes it was blatantly racist.

There is no ambiguity here. He did it blatantly to get banned.

Funny how people complain about this stupid fear offending. This is always written by someone who is clearly over sensitive.

The f**king irony.

[whyterabbyt]

the nowadays bit is odd, at no time in my life (here at least) has hate speech been acceptable?

dunno. but im more than happy to offend the f**k out of anyone arguing that racism should get more of a voice round here, whatever craven bullshit of an excuse they try to leverage.

[vurt]

[Hink]

I'm gonna repost what I posted in the other thread (that I locked and this one is very, very, very close)

Yes, because he should go to that effort because you want racist comments reposted.

I just wonder about the context, did he post edgy gibberish specifically to get banned or was it about something else?

how does it matter? I saved a screenshot too and I can still see the post...this is a copy/paste from his post

...and report to mods if you'd be so kind - yes, I'm trying to get banned

it would appear he was just trying to get banned but that just makes it worse. He used racism to get what he wanted, that is all that matters. Even if he doent have what he thinks is a racist bone in his body, he used racism because he knew it was very offensive, meaning his intent was to be offensive and he went all in...the part thats was the most offensive were in the poll he created...I think that says it all, more than gibberish as he put thought into it, trying to make an offensive enough post to get banned using racism.

If he put that much thought into leaving, he had choices. He is indeed a racist, surely part of the problem, not the solution...he used racism to intentionally be offensive...he is no better than any other racist. Motive doesnt matter, there is no acceptable reason for racism.

Hopefully we are done with this

[pdxindy]

I'm gonna repost what I posted in the other thread (that I locked and this one is very, very, very close)

It's been a decent thread... until the last couple pages... I hope it can recover and move on!

[Hink]

I hope so too, this tangent was already beat to death in another thread

[machinesworking]

For f**ks sake. There’s no debate on this.

He literally created a thread that was against the rules for the purpose of being banned.

That’s it. He did it on purpose. Yes it was blatantly racist.

There is no ambiguity here. He did it blatantly to get banned.

Funny how people complain about this stupid fear offending. This is always written by someone who is clearly over sensitive.

The f**king irony.

OK get it now, all makes sense. Pretty dumb way to assure you never post on a forum. I tend to not post on a forum when I decide I'm posting too much on a forum, it's a lot less dramatic though.

Plus talk about having a melt down because you can't move your music out of the 8 bar loop phase and can't decide on a DAW!

[machinesworking]

Attempting to get this back on track. I like DAW jumping a bit, but I've been working more and more towards using Digital Performer exclusively. Mostly because my workflow is either electro rock/industrial, or cinematic, so I crave what are in some ways conflicting feature sets: Clips, modulation time/pitch stretching, SysEx for hardware dumps etc. for the rock/industrial stuff; and Articulation maps, great VEP integration, good large track count navigation for the more huge template cinematic stuff.

That pretty much leads me to Logic or DP. DP has a better articulation manager and arguably better larger template navigation, whereas Logic has the better features for rock/industrial etc. what with all the step sequencers and AI drummers. I went with DP because the articulation maps have features for fixing issues that articulation mapping has like it occasionally missing a switch because it can't be set to happen milliseconds before etc. I found this was too common of an issue in Logic.

I'll keep my chops up with Logic since you can't really sell it, and I have older songs there, but at this point my DAW hopping is about collaboration, my old bandmates that I still work with sometimes use Reaper or Live, and it's just not that hard to use those DAWs so I work in those DAWs when I'm working with them.

[Spencer Maddox]

Logic truly is a great DAW. Since they are second only to FL studio in “free update” I usually keep mine installed. A lot of the UI and workflow however never clicked, and that’s odd since I use Cubase and Studio one a lot and they are objectively similar.

And yeah
I really quite enjoy the concept of this thread.
Let’s move or back on topic so it’s not locked too.

[machinesworking]

Logic truly is a great DAW. Since they are second only to FL studio in “free update” I usually keep mine installed. A lot of the UI and workflow however never clicked, and that’s odd since I use Cubase and Studio one a lot and they are objectively similar.

Well I think there's a big UX difference between Studio One, Cubase, and Logic, DP and Reaper. Logic tries to be some middle ground but only probably because of being owned by Apple, back in the day it was unabashedly doing it's own thing. I mean reading the DAWs mentioned from left to right you get levels of complexity in initial learning curves. I think the goal from the outside is a difference in approach. So watching a guy talk about using Keyboard Maestro in Cubase he mentions it's 18 steps to get a VI in a track with a color. He might be exaggerating but it's 5 in DP and I think the same amount in Logic, but, the initial learning curve for Logic and DP are much higher. < Not insinuating that Cubase doesn't have the same feature set because for the most part it does, and it has other features they don't have, it's just the initial learning curve in Cubase, Studio One, Live etc. is less than the learning curve in Logic, DP and Reaper etc. because IMO Logic etc. compensate on initial learning curve for what they consider tighter workflows etc.

[vurt]

other

[Double Tap]

I just posted this in ... another thread and I'm not sure which one, but it was relevant. I think it's more relevant here though

https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... ogic%20pro

I reckon the KVR user base is inevitably quite different to the general music production population, but the popularity of Cubase is probably a reflection of the fact that some of you have been doing this for a really long time and why change a winning formula? But it's mad, to me, how much more traffic Cubase used to get than everything else does now - unless Google Trends uses share rather than total traffic for its data.

[SparkySpark]

I just posted this in ... another thread and I'm not sure which one, but it was relevant. I think it's more relevant here though

Really cool.

I use Google Trends myself for other purposes, and it's a powerful tool. Here, it's interesting to see the giant fall of Cubase, so it makes sense they run discounts now and that they finally change their copy protection.

And ProTools: just about obliterated! Of course, a lot of people today perhaps just type PT.

Also interesting to see all of them decreasing over time. I thought there would have been more interest during lockdown last year, but apparently not. Maybe simple beatbox software got attention instead, and newcomers prefer easier and faster ways to express themselves.

[EnGee]

But Google Trends are just search stat, right? It's not the usage or purchase statistics. So, how is that useful?