Korg Wavestate and Opsix for Win/Mac

[SLiC]

I think we will see Korg Wavestate and Opsix as AUv3s in a year or so for iPad - maybe even way sooner!

I’m not so sure, gadgets are already iOS and they are small and ideal for AUv3…but no ports…in fact I think only Module and Electribe wave have been ported….

Really?
On my iPad Pro I have Installed Korg:
- iELECTRIBE
- iDs10
- iM1
- iMono/Poly
- iMs-20
- iPolysix
- iWAVESTATION
- Module Pro
- ODYSSEi
All of these are full apps not gadgets that work in stand alone mode or auv3

Are you sure about that? I own all of those and only the 2 I mentioned show up as AUv3 in AUM etc or claim to be AUv3 on the App Store?

[felis]

Opsix looks finished to me, but it's lagging in Reaper.

I'm leaving the opsix demo on my laptop - it doesn't seem to have too many problems so far.

I deleted the wavestate demo from my desktop. It locked up so bad that the ctrl/alt/del task manager wouldn't show up.
I had to do a hard power down with the on/off button.

[Atlatnesiti]

I think we will see Korg Wavestate and Opsix as AUv3s in a year or so for iPad - maybe even way sooner!

I’m not so sure, gadgets are already iOS and they are small and ideal for AUv3…but no ports…in fact I think only Module and Electribe wave have been ported….

Really?
On my iPad Pro I have Installed Korg:
- iELECTRIBE
- iDs10
- iM1
- iMono/Poly
- iMs-20
- iPolysix
- iWAVESTATION
- Module Pro
- ODYSSEi
All of these are full apps not gadgets that work in stand alone mode or auv3

Are you sure about that? I own all of those and only the 2 I mentioned show up as AUv3 in AUM etc or claim to be AUv3 on the App Store?

You’re right, I stand corrected

[SLiC]

I think we will see Korg Wavestate and Opsix as AUv3s in a year or so for iPad - maybe even way sooner!

I’m not so sure, gadgets are already iOS and they are small and ideal for AUv3…but no ports…in fact I think only Module and Electribe wave have been ported….

Really?
On my iPad Pro I have Installed Korg:
- iELECTRIBE
- iDs10
- iM1
- iMono/Poly
- iMs-20
- iPolysix
- iWAVESTATION
- Module Pro
- ODYSSEi
All of these are full apps not gadgets that work in stand alone mode or auv3

Are you sure about that? I own all of those and only the 2 I mentioned show up as AUv3 in AUM etc or claim to be AUv3 on the App Store?

You’re right, I stand corrected

Now worries, thought I may have missed something! They have inter app audio, but unfortunately not AU yet…I hope they update in the future as I pretty much only use stuff that’s AU now…other than Borderlands which gets a pass!

[gnu23]

Jeeeepers this Wavestate thing is absolutely amazingly inspiring! And damn Arturia offering Pigments users the whole Arturia V Collection 8 for 150 euros cross-grade. Guess I ain't eating this month... or I have to start selling some stuff. Hmm.. my Push 2 has been collecting dust lately.

Oh crap - you would have to mention the Arturia deal.

And as good as Wavestate and OpSix are, they can't compete with the Arturia motherlode. le sigh

[Teksonik]

IMO they made Wavestate a little bit easier to program than Wavestation, but it's certainly not intuitive. I think it's just a complicated synthesis mode that can't be made particularly easy to actually program. I would say anyone should at least read some of the manual for patching it - trying without is going to lead to frustration inevitably.

I've been trying to avoid the manual. That tells me how well thought out the workflow is to me.

I've already made a few patches but of course they can't be saved in the demo so I didn't dive too deep.

I imagine when and if I purchase it I'll need to refer to the manual from time to time but the basics are pretty straightforward in my opinion.

Wavestate does remind me in a way of the earlier versions of Wusikstation and I did a bunch of patches for them so perhaps I have a bit of a head start over someone just discovering wavesequencing. But as you say it can be a complex method of synthesis and there's only so much that can be done to make it easier.

It's not a synth that I'll get bored with really quickly so that's a breath of fresh air these days.

[wwjd]

doesn't sound ANYTHING like the real ones. not even close.

[dentaku]

I have reported the wavestate M1 performance issues to Korg and they have replicated it, so they are looking into it.

I've also let them know similar issues that I experience have occurred on Windows, and linked them to the relevant posts on this thread.

This is a demo of what I see in Logic, for instance:



In the cases of plugins with performance problems on Native M1, Logic's 100% core overload does not correspond with the Activity Meter thread load. This happens with both these Korg plugins, and Roland Cloud's ACB plugins too, which are unplayable here.

For "well-behaved" native plugins, eg Repro-5, the core activity *does* correspond with the Activity Monitor load. So there's something going on, and hopefully they can sort it out...

In Ableton Live 11.1 and Win10 it will go to 103% after just sitting for a while.

ALSO
On a latop with both onboard Intel video and an Nvidia GPU I see that the interface becomes unusably slow while Live is set to use the Nvidia but the GUI is fine when Live is forced to use the Intel GPU.
STILL no matter what graphics chip is used it takes around 100% CPU when no notes are playing though.

[Teksonik]

calling it a form of synthesis is a bit of a stretch IMO

Not at all. If you want to call "Subtractive" or "FM" synthesis then Wavesequencing is without a doubt a form of synthesis.

"Sound synthesis is the technique of generating sound, using electronic hardware or software, from scratch. The most common use of synthesis is musical, where electronic instruments called synthesizers are used in the performance and recording of music. Sound synthesis has many applications both academic and artistic, and we commonly use synthesizers and synthesis methods to:Generate interesting and unique sounds or timbres incapable of being produced acoustically. Recreate or model the sounds of real-world acoustic instruments or sounds".

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Sound_Syn ... troduction

I understand the collective definition of synthesis at KVR is a saw wave through a low pass filter but unless one's definition is that myopic they have to accept WS is a form of synthesis.

"You could do it in your DAW" just shows a complete misunderstanding of the method of synthesis.

complex and evolving can get gimmicky pretty quickly...even the developer of Hyperion said this very thing about the pitfalls of this method...and said how the results can be hard to fit/use in a track

Not if you're working on audio to submit for an upcoming movie as I am. Wavesequencing is the perfect type of synthesis for the task. Backing tracks, scene tension etc...

[Caine123]

is there a good video which shows what is so special/different in Wavestate? i dont get it yet, not demoed yet.

[kritikon]

doesn't sound ANYTHING like the real ones. not even close.

I suspect that's a troll post, but we'll see. I just bought the Native, haven't actually d/l'd it yet to check it out. I already have a real one & got the crossgrade for $50. I highly doubt that it doesn't sound like a real one, as the real one is similarly just s/w in a box but with keys. It's apparently one of those raspberry thingies with Linux and a Wavestate bunged into it, no magical analogue anything in it. Pure digital just like Native. In the same way that I have a Wavestation plugin and a real one - and guess what - the Native one actually sounds considerably BETTER than the real one because it's not got crappy old 1990 AD converters on it and I can put proper shiny FX instead of the very dated and grainy oldtime FX onboard my real one.

But anyway...when I get time, I'll play with the Native and then on my real one and then I'll likely tell you they sound exactly the same, we'll see.

[bermudagold]

Yeah...that's a bias towards my more personal mental model where synthesis reflects processes that have a much more fundamental change to the starting sound...so in a non academic context I don't think of pcm sampling as synthesis,...because it is technically, but not aurally...but by an academic definition like the one you offered you are correct...I get it
And I totally understand on the other point...the more micro and deconstructive methods of synthesis and sound design tend to have more utility in game design, CHI design, or scoring film; even if limited in musical use cases IME

[DrGonzo]

I bough the hardware Wavestate when the 2.0 came out and I haven't done much with it really. It's just sitting there collecting dust. I really like the sound of it though and the expanded ROMs are great. It's almost like an Omnisphere-light in a box.

Will absolutely jump on the cross-grade.

[danatkorg]

Wavestate seems to work ok here (Windows 10, Ryzen 7 5800X) with pretty low CPU usage, but I wish there was a way to map the joystick to my controller.

The joystick responds to CCs 16 (X) and 17 (Y). They aren't currently re-assignable, though.

[r10k]

Wavestate seems to work ok here (Windows 10, Ryzen 7 5800X) with pretty low CPU usage, but I wish there was a way to map the joystick to my controller.

The joystick responds to CCs 16 (X) and 17 (Y). They aren't currently re-assignable, though.

Good to know Dan! Thanks for being here

Side note: if I could throw a request in (unless I've missed it)... a solo option for layers would be really helpful...