Bitwig 4.3 announced 'space and tone' - a new reverb and delay...

[liquidsound]

bitwig misses some basics like midi comping

lol. Ableton added MIDI comping less than 2 years ago, on version 11, its current version. but somehow it's already a 'basic feature' ? What other daws even have it?

Try to live in the present rather than in the past.
Features are not bound to historical DOB.
A useful and clever feature doesn't need to be in circulation for a specific length of time in order to be requested, especially in an environment born out of "that" specific environment...
Just deal with it. BWS is great, but in some aspects, is behind Live, and... vice versa of course.

[summer2000]

I have a similar template in Nuendo and Cubase. I've never been able to set something like that in Bitwig. I guess Bitwig was never designed to handle that kind of group routing.

I don't exactly what you try to achieve, but maybe you can use sends and route the output of some send tracks to another send track (via track output routing) which then serves as a "group mix bus" for those send tracks.

I wonder if it is possible to do it this way, and if the new changes make it simpler.

I want most of these group tracks to be a pair of tracks. i.e. stem track, plus parralel

I'll give it a go!

Please let us know what you come up with. I may just bite the bullet and finally jump on board for this release.

[SLiC]

bitwig misses some basics like midi comping

lol. Ableton added MIDI comping less than 2 years ago, on version 11, its current version. but somehow it's already a 'basic feature' ? What other daws even have it?

It was always a basic feature in linier DAWS- I think all the other main DAWS have midi comping (Studio One, Cubase, Logic, Reaper etc). Live just added it when they added comping, I haven't know a DAW add comping and not include midi, can you name one?

[j wazza]

i wish there was a user library on the website for bitwig so you can download other people's creations with the grid etc

https://bitwiggers.com/ ? (there is b2)

thanks hadnt heard of that, is that an unofficial one? do you know if its safe to download from it?

[dupont]

Also good point for APC40 owners, now the APC matrix is reflected in bitwig by a red square which surrounded the clips.

[mholloway]

bitwig misses some basics like midi comping

lol. Ableton added MIDI comping less than 2 years ago, on version 11, its current version. but somehow it's already a 'basic feature' ? What other daws even have it?

Try to live in the present rather than in the past.
Features are not bound to historical DOB.
A useful and clever feature doesn't need to be in circulation for a specific length of time in order to be requested, especially in an environment born out of "that" specific environment...
Just deal with it. BWS is great, but in some aspects, is behind Live, and... vice versa of course.

Again, lol. I simply do not consider Midi Comping a 'basic feature' of a DAW. If that upsets you, be upset. But imo, it's not a basic feature, end of story. Oh and: just deal with it.

[mholloway]

It was always a basic feature in linier DAWS- I think all the other main DAWS have midi comping (Studio One, Cubase, Logic, Reaper etc). Live just added it when they added comping, I haven't know a DAW add comping and not include midi, can you name one?

Logic, reaper, cubase... I'm not seeing MIDI comping implementation in any of them. I did find it for Studio One, though, implemented in 2021, took quite a while for this 'basic feature' to show up there, too, it seems.... Anyway, happy to be shown examples / shown where it is -- but in looking it up, I can't find it, fwiw.
People have manual workarounds to achieve the same results (plenty of vids on that...) and will also refer to that as 'comping', but we're talking about actual comping implementation, I thought. Where it auto-generates new 'takes' and all that; Audio comping is a standard feature across DAWs, yes. Midi comping is not, insofar as I have seen.

[summer2000]

It was always a basic feature in linier DAWS- I think all the other main DAWS have midi comping (Studio One, Cubase, Logic, Reaper etc). Live just added it when they added comping, I haven't know a DAW add comping and not include midi, can you name one?

Logic, reaper, cubase... I'm not seeing MIDI comping implementation in any of them. I did find it for Studio One, though, implemented in 2021, took quite a while for this 'basic feature' to show up there, too, it seems.... Anyway, happy to be shown examples / shown where it is -- but in looking it up, I can't find it, fwiw.
People have manual workarounds to achieve the same results (plenty of vids on that...) and will also refer to that as 'comping', but we're talking about actual comping implementation, I thought. Where it auto-generates new 'takes' and all that; Audio comping is a standard feature across DAWs, yes. Midi comping is not, insofar as I have seen.

Try this, I did and found numerous videos on the topic
Go to YouTube and search for:
Logic MIDI comping
Reaper MIDI comping
Cubase MIDI comping

[mholloway]

Try this, I did and found numerous videos on the topic
Go to YouTube and search for:
Logic MIDI comping
Reaper MIDI comping
Cubase MIDI comping

Fair enough, I stand corrected: most of these DAWs do seem to have auto-take generation for MIDI loop recording, nice. I guess I genuinely had no idea that people were actually using this behavior, but so be it! To me it seems like a niche kind of workflow; personally I'd rarely use it. But I guess that's just me.

[liquidsound]

bitwig misses some basics like midi comping

lol. Ableton added MIDI comping less than 2 years ago, on version 11, its current version. but somehow it's already a 'basic feature' ? What other daws even have it?

Try to live in the present rather than in the past.
Features are not bound to historical DOB.
A useful and clever feature doesn't need to be in circulation for a specific length of time in order to be requested, especially in an environment born out of "that" specific environment...
Just deal with it. BWS is great, but in some aspects, is behind Live, and... vice versa of course.

Again, lol. I simply do not consider Midi Comping a 'basic feature' of a DAW. If that upsets you, be upset. But imo, it's not a basic feature, end of story. Oh and: just deal with it.

You are stuck on the "Basic" basically
and I'm apologizing: you can't deal with it.

Try use some Midi comping on very creative bass lines... who cares about basics...

[SLiC]

Try this, I did and found numerous videos on the topic
Go to YouTube and search for:
Logic MIDI comping
Reaper MIDI comping
Cubase MIDI comping

Fair enough, I stand corrected: most of these DAWs do seem to have auto-take generation for MIDI loop recording, nice. I guess I genuinely had no idea that people were actually using this behavior, but so be it! To me it seems like a niche kind of workflow; personally I'd rarely use it. But I guess that's just me.

I hate midi editing and loosing my natural timing, I try to comp everything in to capture feel, I try not to quantise and I only fix the odd note same as I would with melodyne for audio. I guess everyone has there own workflow... but honestly don't think its niche, a lot of people want to play in a performance live....now the grid...that niche!

[liquidsound]

BTW, I'm being playing around with the Delay+ and it's a hell of an addition!
I was initially wrong about it >

[_leras]

I wonder if it is possible to do it this way, and if the new changes make it simpler.

I want most of these group tracks to be a pair of tracks. i.e. stem track, plus parralel

I'll give it a go!

Please let us know what you come up with. I may just bite the bullet and finally jump on board for this release.
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Will feedback how it goes.

Though,.just for the record, if I'm honest with myself... My mixes in Bitwig are coming out pretty great without this.

I think I'm finding if I need more bite in a sound I'll put it in on the sound itself rather than the group.

I think my master bus channel FX rack is actually doing a fine job as is.

perhaps my wanted parralel group channels for mixing, are mostly not needed. Perhaps it just takes away dynamics.

[_leras]

Fair enough, I stand corrected: most of these DAWs do seem to have auto-take generation for MIDI loop recording, nice. I guess I genuinely had no idea that people were actually using this behavior, but so be it! To me it seems like a niche kind of workflow; personally I'd rarely use it. But I guess that's just me.

Don't worry too much. I've used Cubase for years and have never used this.

I actually think Cubase just does everything. But that nobody knows everything it does.

But Bitwig hands down better 'Flow' for me.

[apoclypse]

Try this, I did and found numerous videos on the topic
Go to YouTube and search for:
Logic MIDI comping
Reaper MIDI comping
Cubase MIDI comping

Fair enough, I stand corrected: most of these DAWs do seem to have auto-take generation for MIDI loop recording, nice. I guess I genuinely had no idea that people were actually using this behavior, but so be it! To me it seems like a niche kind of workflow; personally I'd rarely use it. But I guess that's just me.

The feature exists for a reason and Logic has had this feature since whenever they added comping in the DAW well over a decade ago. It's a logical extension of adding comping. The fact the Bitwig added audio comping but no midi comping just makes it seem like comping is half finished imo.

The only other DAW that I know that doesn't have Midi comping is Reason.

Anyway back OT. The update seems meh. I feel like I've been saying for a while now. I have yet to see a Bitwig update that I think is worth the money. I bought an update license a year ago and I have yet to use it (still on 3.3). Definitely not going to waste it on this update.