Syntronik 2 Discussions

[Flip64]

So maybe missing samples has something to do with it and instead of getting an error message, it just crashes...

That's what has happened here. Missing samples causes several DAWs to crash. But then I've gotten several crashes when just trying to load a Multi that does not have any missing samples so....

If IK had just set one single sample folder like Public Documents/IK Multimedia/Samples instead of putting things in Sampletank 3, Sampletank 4, Syntronik 1, Syntronik 2, Imported Samples, etc etc etc folders things would have gone a lot smoother over the years.

I have to have duplicate samples in two locations just so ST 3 and 4 can both find them.

I think a lot of the issues we've seen reported in this thread could have been mitigated with a less sloppy installation scheme over the years.

I think you've definitely put me off having any Sampletank stuff separately!

My crashing multi is fixed now I've copied across the Syner V samples the installer missed. I can understand their file hierarchy to a point - each instrument having its own folders under the instrument name - but I have no clue if samples from any other instrument are missing, until I come across a preset that won't load.

It's a nice instrument though - as long as I see it as a large collection of analogue synth samples that can be edited in various ways, rather than "emulations of old instruments" like Korg, Roland or Arturia.

[Teksonik]

The IKPM does not check the validity of files. Nor do the individual installers. When you find a possibly corrupt file, let Technical Support know. They are the only people who can investigate and fix it.

Yes, it's a bit of a pain, but I cannot see how any QA team could check every note in every instrument in these libraries, no matter whether the library is from IKM or another company.

How could any QA or Beta Team check "every note in every instrument" ?

By checking every note in every instrument. End users didn't seem to have a problem checking them

[DarkStar]

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[DarkStar]

^^^
Agreed, but there will be thousands of users and only a few in IK's QA team. Having said that, maybe the sounds designers should have spotted any problems.



For what it's worth, these are the numbers I have here:

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	Syn 1 Inst	Syn 2 Inst	Wave Sets
99	155	42	51
Blau	90	37	36
Bully	100	38	19
CATO	0	78	58
DCO-X	79	40	37
Galaxy	176	38	49
GS-V	0	119	106
Harpy 260	94	34	23
J-60	120	40	39
J-8	116	47	38
KW-8000	0	80	155
M-12	0	64	71
Megawave	0	63	69
Memory-V	147	42	47
Minimod	143	45	98
Modulum	108	44	72
M-Poly	101	36	20
Noir	125	42	50
Obie One	0	53	23
OSC-V	0	63	34
OXa	126	39	42
Polymorph	86	44	27
Pro-V	129	35	44
PRO-VS	0	59	170
SAM	168	40	59
SH-V	100	40	29
Sorcerer	0	66	21
String Box	110	39	54
SYNER-V	0	92	177
T-03	225	100	15
Triptych	0	65	30
V-80	102	38	37
VCF3	106	28	42
			
Totals	2,706	1,730	1,842

[Teksonik]

^^^
Agreed, but there will be thousands of users and only a few in IK's QA team.

That's just confirming what we all know....IK's end users are their beta testers....

[jeffn1]

It takes longer, but I download each zip from the my products page. Once you have downloaded/registered/installed/checked out 15 or so synths, the process seems to work a bit better. Hah!

[vurt]

^^^
Agreed, but there will be thousands of users and only a few in IK's QA team.

That's just confirming what we all know....IK's end users are their beta testers....

imagine if youd bought syntronik max at regular price and done the testing
least it only cost you a few beers.

[Teksonik]

^^^
Agreed, but there will be thousands of users and only a few in IK's QA team.

That's just confirming what we all know....IK's end users are their beta testers....

imagine if youd bought syntronik max at regular price and done the testing
least it only cost you a few beers.

I feel sorry for anyone who paid full price.

Oh yes I'll get my $35 worth out it despite all the bugs and quirks.

Anyway on the subject of the Syntronik 2 Max Multis....I didn't even get through the letter B yet and....

The multi "Backward Trail" is out of tune. The Megawave preset "Wait For it" in the first layer is one semitone sharp and boy you can hear it.

Also like many of the presets, many of the multis are way too hot.

Whoever did the multis, let them know there is a meter on the Syntronik 2 GUI and if that's spiking in the red then....it's too hot.

EDIT: Can someone try this edited preset please? The aforementioned "Wait For It" preset is out of tune and I can't see why. If you load the "Megawave Steely Wave" into another Osc it's in tune so there's something going on with Osc 1 but even clearing out the Mod Matrix doesn't make a difference so even though there is nothing modulating Osc1 it's still out of tune by a semitone ( the fine tune knob only goes +-50 cents).

In the edited patch I've lowered Osc 1 by 100 cents in the matrix and that puts it back in tune. Can anyone check the original and edited patch to see if you get the same thing? I can't imagine what would corrupt just one Osc in one preset but.....

Wait For It Edit

[tydygy]

I'm going through all the presets one synth at a time...one preset at a time in ST4 CS;
I found on the Syntronik 99 synth, preset named Funky 99 Slapbass Hi Velo...key C3 doesn't sound, but the other keys do sound. Even on the virtual keys on the screen...no sound.
Does anyone else experience this?

[zzz00m]

Anyway on the subject of the Syntronik 2 Max Multis....I didn't even get through the letter B yet and....

The multi "Backward Trail" is out of tune. The Megawave preset "Wait For it" in the first layer is one semitone sharp and boy you can hear it.

Hey, nice catch!

It appears to be the way that wave set ""Megawave Steely Wave" gets initialized when the multi opens. If you open the editor, switch to any other wave set, then back, it's in tune again. So the sample isn't corrupt, and I see no indication of any tuning settings applied.

Weird!!!

Edit: I saved the multi in it's correct tuning state, but when reloaded, it goes back out of tune!!!

[Teksonik]

I'm going through all the presets one synth at a time...one preset at a time in ST4 CS;
I found on the Syntronik 99 synth, preset named Funky 99 Slapbass Hi Velo...key C3 doesn't sound, but the other keys do sound. Even on the virtual keys on the screen...no sound.
Does anyone else experience this?

I'm trying it in Syntronik 2 and I get A2 silent, G2 missing it's "slap" which I assume is a missing multi-sample or velocity layer and the same with C3, missing its slap.

As soon as ST4 finishes "building database" I'll check it too.

Can you check the presets I mentioned above?

EDIT: I tried in ST4 CS and get the same thing. Silent A2, G2 and C3 not sounding correctly. That's one of the presets that's way too hot. +8.4 db

[Teksonik]

Anyway on the subject of the Syntronik 2 Max Multis....I didn't even get through the letter B yet and....

The multi "Backward Trail" is out of tune. The Megawave preset "Wait For it" in the first layer is one semitone sharp and boy you can hear it.

Hey, nice catch!

It appears to be the way that wave set ""Megawave Steely Wave" gets initialized when the multi opens. If you open the editor, switch to any other wave set, then back, it's in tune again. So the sample isn't corrupt, and I see no indication of any tuning settings applied.

Weird!!!

Thanks for checking. Yes that's weird. As you say there's nothing wrong with the sample, it appears Syntronik 2 is corrupting that preset on load as there is nothing in the Mod Matrix that should make it out of tune. It happens with the preset and any multi that might use it. (See my edit in that post above).

[zzz00m]

It happens with the preset and any multi that might use it. (See my edit in that post above).

Thanks for the hint!

I didn't think to check the preset itself. After i opened it up and fiddled with the wave set (changed it and reverted) and then saved it, no more problem in the multi!

Edit: if you edit the preset and then just save the multi, any preset edits are lost unless you also save the preset itself.

[tydygy]

Teksonik...I checked again: Syntronik 99 - Funky 99 Slapbass Hi Velo...key C3 doesn't sound; A2, A#2, C#3, F#4, G4, A4, A#4, C5, C#5, D#5, E5, F#5, G5, A5, A#5, C6, C#6, D#6, E6, F#6, G6, A6, A#6, all don't sound as well. I just noticed the higher octaves..61 key controller, had to octave up/down. I loaded the preset again after being on another. I am just loading presets and hitting a few keys. I didn't think I would be doing user test cases for the developers. I could...Oracle Java Certified and built apps for over a decade (Will work for Licenses). I will never use that preset I'm sure, unless I'm asked to do the Seinfeld reunion music (not likely). I certainly know more about software than synths at this point. I'm satisfied at $35 too. IK seems to be on top of the issues from what I've seen. I suppose that's why there's not a user preset area around. I wish there was.

[tydygy]

On the Syntronik 99, Saw Stab FM preset, is it supposed to sustain? I expected it to be like Scrape Stab - staccato. I'm still learning so if I just don't have the terminology down yet, I'll learn.