Slow clap...clap...clap ... Can we now have a MSEG? A Chord-Lane? A Arranger-Lane?

[SpaceCadetOnLeave]

but still as a Bitwig User I do care more to get rid of any need to have external plugin stuff. I would like to be able to go full Bitwig 100%.

yeah I was amazed about that too, so weird, first they all shout NO MORE 3RD PARTY!, Bitwig can do all, the devs are god....

now the, and some other "pack leaders" shout 'now go that way!' and off they go running modulating obsessively in the other direction to 3rd party heaven. despite their renewal plan time ticking away.
and when you try to reason, discuss or inform you're declared an infidel and/or a troll.

only followers here

Seriously, what are you talking about? Who has called you or anyone a troll for disliking the Bitwig upgrade plan? Why are you insulting people who want deeper, border, and more flexible modulation possibilities and applications? If you don’t like the upgrade plan, say your peace once and use another host. It’s that simple. And let people enjoy their life as they see fit.

no seriously seriously, who says i hate the renewal plan? i don't.
my point is the weird nonsense why a dev team would waste precious time and resources of its costumers (with a time based commitment) on a unnecessary new plugin format and act as if they are freedom fighters...
really, i mean, why bitwig? are they out of beta? is bitwig without bugs? is the user FR-list empty? nah.
it is just a vulgar conflict between entrepreneurs, out there to make money, using sneaky marketing.
the other point is i see several pro-posters inhere always declaring there is nothing better than the bitwig Eco-system stating they use nothing else, suddenly over-excited about using and apparently owning 3rd party stuff.
oh, and rest assured i don't use bitwig, i still have a license installed on one of our studio machines, just in case a customer used it. and a bit to keep track with what's up.
plus i have been called several times a troll here in many pedantic ways just because i don't blow along with all the winds.
stop hyper-modulating

[pizzatime]

I think a lot of people use Bitwig exclusively as a DAW but it is sometimes good for inspiration to mix it up a bit with the odd VST - seems like exactly the kind of project they would want to work on to me.

[] Peter:H []

Up until now I did not do the renewal. I think I'll may buy me a summer sale upgrade license ... but I don't fell the urge to activate it. Let's hope 4.4 will be the MSEG update...

[_leras]

no seriously seriously, who says i hate the renewal plan? i don't.
my point is the weird nonsense why a dev team would waste precious time and resources of its costumers (with a time based commitment) on a unnecessary new plugin format and act as if they are freedom fighters...
really, i mean, why bitwig? are they out of beta? is bitwig without bugs? is the user FR-list empty? nah.
it is just a vulgar conflict between entrepreneurs, out there to make money, using sneaky marketing.
the other point is i see several pro-posters inhere always declaring there is nothing better than the bitwig Eco-system stating they use nothing else, suddenly over-excited about using and apparently owning 3rd party stuff.
oh, and rest assured i don't use bitwig, i still have a license installed on one of our studio machines, just in case a customer used it. and a bit to keep track with what's up.
plus i have been called several times a troll here in many pedantic ways just because i don't blow along with all the winds.
stop hyper-modulating

Wow. Where on earth are you getting all that from? Are you ok?

I think very few Bitwig users are saying that they want to use Bitwig and only Bitwig.

That said I welcome better quality built in FX. Bring them on.

Perhaps Bitwig could have prioritised other things, but why not be ready for a new open source format that allows more controls to be automated? Surely you are out of line suggesting the Bitwig devs are vulgar money grabbers.

I also don't really see many saying they only use Bitwig many have a couple of DAWs. What I do see are lots of people saying how much they enjoy working on Bitwig.

If you don't even use it, I'm not sure why you're in here having a hissy whinge about... well, everything really....

[pdxindy]

If you don't even use it, I'm not sure why you're in hear having a hissy whinge about... well, everything really....

I suggest the ignore function.

[xbitz]

After playing a little with the CLAP Vital 1.5.1 beta and the Polyphonic LFOs (you can see them as MSEG if you will), I doubt it I still want a Polyphonic MSEG in BWS.

It's just overwhelming!

+1 Curves already can be chained and able to modulate poly ones more than enough for me too

at least Hive has modulation scope to be able to check the result

[krazzmann]

but still as a Bitwig User I do care more to get rid of any need to have external plugin stuff. I would like to be able to go full Bitwig 100%.

yeah I was amazed about that too, so weird, first they all shout NO MORE 3RD PARTY!, Bitwig can do all, the devs are god....

now the, and some other "pack leaders" shout 'now go that way!' and off they go running modulating obsessively in the other direction to 3rd party heaven. despite their renewal plan time ticking away.
and when you try to reason, discuss or inform you're declared an infidel and/or a troll.

only followers here

Seriously, what are you talking about? Who has called you or anyone a troll for disliking the Bitwig upgrade plan? Why are you insulting people who want deeper, border, and more flexible modulation possibilities and applications? If you don’t like the upgrade plan, say your peace once and use another host. It’s that simple. And let people enjoy their life as they see fit.

no seriously seriously, who says i hate the renewal plan? i don't.
my point is the weird nonsense why a dev team would waste precious time and resources of its costumers (with a time based commitment) on a unnecessary new plugin format and act as if they are freedom fighters...

Just see it from the perspective of the plugin makers. Let me phrase it in a business neutral way: The technology standard that is at the core of your business is controlled by a few corporations that are also your competitors. Moreover they don’t evolve that standard at a pace and quality that matches your innovation capabilities because it is not their core business.

Investing resources into CLAP does totally make sense. Just search the forum and you will find countless posts about the VST SDK crashing very often. And yes there had been other open plugin formats before but this time it comes with a superior technology that definitely will fuel the adoption. Now or never.

really, i mean, why bitwig? are they out of beta? is bitwig without bugs? is the user FR-list empty? nah.
it is just a vulgar conflict between entrepreneurs, out there to make money, using sneaky marketing.

Wow, that is quite a statement. I wonder which entrepreneurs you mean… can you drop some names?

the other point is i see several pro-posters inhere always declaring there is nothing better than the bitwig Eco-system stating they use nothing else, suddenly over-excited about using and apparently owning 3rd party stuff.
oh, and rest assured i don't use bitwig, i still have a license installed on one of our studio machines, just in case a customer used it. and a bit to keep track with what's up.
plus i have been called several times a troll here in many pedantic ways just because i don't blow along with all the winds.
stop hyper-modulating

Alright, got it. You are rather conservative regarding a new plugin technology or approaches to a DAW. Fair enough. It’s your freedom of choice not to believe the hype but why not just leaning back and let the tech savvy kids have their fun. Spreading bad vibes doesn’t help anyone. Tbh, there had been several high profile insiders making wrong predictions. Probably you are one of them, probably not. Remember Bill Gates‘ claim that 640 kb RAM is enough?

[liquidsound]

After playing a little with the CLAP Vital 1.5.1 beta and the Polyphonic LFOs (you can see them as MSEG if you will), I doubt it I still want a Polyphonic MSEG in BWS.

It's just overwhelming!

+1 Curves already can be chained and able to modulate poly ones more than enough for me too

at least Hive has modulation scope to be able to check the result

Nice!

[xbitz]

^^^ how do you use BWS without it ?


btw. XNB has started the Grid series

[Jac459]

Reason users had the same attitude until…

It always happens.
100% in an ecosystem? BS

I disagree on the "BS" . The 100% in an ecosystem have very strong advantages also. It is very integrated, always work, the experience is hyper coherent... To me it makes absolutely sense.

After it is more a question of personal choice. I prefer openness. So I switched from reason to birtwig.

[] Peter:H []

Reason users had the same attitude until…

It always happens.
100% in an ecosystem? BS

I disagree on the "BS" . The 100% in an ecosystem have very strong advantages also. It is very integrated, always work, the experience is hyper coherent... To me it makes absolutely sense.

After it is more a question of personal choice. I prefer openness. So I switched from reason to birtwig.

It might be right to say 100% in an ecosystem will actually never happen.
But the goal as such is valid. I try to stay 100% bitwig, but I select few 3rd plugins for certain task. but mostly I try to stick to bitwig 1st approach...
--
About the approach to chain "ramp" modules in order to simulate a "mseg": Nice exercise that shows how flexible the modules are. but grown up msegs are easier to use, i.e. dialing in a curve and then even smoothing of the curve overall vertices.

[SLiC]

Up until now I did not do the renewal. I think I'll may buy me a summer sale upgrade license ... but I don't fell the urge to activate it. Let's hope 4.4 will be the MSEG update...

MSEG is obviously high on some peoples list, but not everyone's (I am more than happy with the modulation available and I also use ShaperBox). If you were top ask me what Bitwig is short of I wouldn't say modulation capability!

I also have no interest in a chord lane or an arranger lane (I have all this in S1 and I never use). Just shows how some peoples 'must haves' or other peoples, 'meh' ...hard to be a Dev!

Melodyne like Pitch correction (or ARA) is the only thing I thing has to happen natively for me (and finish comping!).

[ThomasHelzle]

I somewhere read that the CLAP people are talking to Melodyne devs...
We may see this one day after all, even without ARA - may even be better via CLAP.

Yeah, same here. MSEG would be nice to have but isn't my priority by far.
Midi Comping and better Midi editing would be way higher on my list.
Or may I say multichannel audio and Ambisonics?
But I'm happy to see what the Bitwigglers are coming up with, so far I wasn't disappointed

Cheers,

Tom

[pdxindy]

MSEG is obviously high on some peoples list, but not everyone's (I am more than happy with the modulation available and I also use ShaperBox). If you were top ask me what Bitwig is short of I wouldn't say modulation capability!

I also have no interest in a chord lane or an arranger lane (I have all this in S1 and I never use). Just shows how some peoples 'must haves' or other peoples, 'meh' ...hard to be a Dev!

Melodyne like Pitch correction (or ARA) is the only thing I thing has to happen natively for me (and finish comping!).

Same for me regarding the chord track and arranger track. i mean, I'm fine if they add that, just not sure how much I would use either. An MSEG is of greater interest now since CLAP and poly-mod for u-he synths. I'd appreciate having an MSEG for Bazille and RePro, etc. I think my MSEG interests are different from others though. I rarely make these complex curves with dozens of points like I see in most examples. I mostly use MSEG's for simple stuff. If the 4-Stage Modulator was increased to 8 stage with an improved graphical window, that would cover like 90% of my MSEG needs.

I would also like a simple, monophonic native pitch correction as part of Bitwig. Would be handy for my hard to tune acoustic instruments and of course voice.

[liquidsound]

Reason users had the same attitude until…

It always happens.
100% in an ecosystem? BS

I disagree on the "BS" . The 100% in an ecosystem have very strong advantages also. It is very integrated, always work, the experience is hyper coherent... To me it makes absolutely sense.

After it is more a question of personal choice. I prefer openness. So I switched from reason to birtwig.

There you have it….
And btw, I’m referring to “attitude” no the validity of the system.