One Synth Challenge #161: Synth1 by Ichiro Toda (Voting Started)

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BrainBeatMusic
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66 posts since 19 Apr, 2022

Post Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:34 am

I have never tried this synth before today and it would seem to be a nice choice allowing for a good amount of customization but not being overly so that surge provided. I am hopeful I can make a really dancy track with this one.

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rilderec
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35 posts since 22 Mar, 2022 from France, Limousin

Post Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:55 am

I liked your "skins"! The one you call "original colors" too, a nice dark purple!) In order to get the original colors of Synth1, you need to uncheck the boxes next to the color selection windows.
Yes, I made a mistake, I do not know where these "original colors" come from, but they are good

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cdbaksu
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57 posts since 25 Jan, 2021

Post Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:54 am

Same here with Logic not seeing the plugin. After manually signing it with

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xattr -cr /Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/Components/"Synth1.component" 


Logic says it's been processed by the AU tool, everything is in the green, but I still can't see it in the list.

(Logic 10.7.4 on Monterey 12.4, M1 Pro 16" MBP)
Any thoughts?

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MilksterX
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159 posts since 27 Oct, 2020

Post Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:53 am

Are you running logic under Rosetta 2? I'll give this a try shortly

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rockingricky
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120 posts since 18 Jan, 2010 from Germany

Post Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:09 am

Whether you are an experienced OSC member or a new one, if you ever have time, compose some tracks for Synth1 and the day (or month) will come when you can say: Here's my contribution ... :D
But seriously, Synth1 is the mother of all VST synths and always a repository of musical ideas. :tu:

Rahodees
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162 posts since 19 Apr, 2022

Post Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:55 pm

Started working on some percussion voices and am running into something I am having a hard time understanding. I'll record later for a clearer demonstration, but if from my description you recognize what might be going on, I'm interested in hearing about it!

Preface: All effects are turned off, as are all LFOs. The "m envelope"* is also turned off. As far as I can tell, it's just oscillators, filters, and filter and amp envelopes, contributing to the sound I'm hearing.

Problem description: Basically, the instruments play "inconsistently" from keystrike to keystrike. My kick may have a pronounced chirp on one strike, and be a complely dull thud the next, and have levels all between these extremes on different strikes. Similar things happen for other instruments I'm trying to make.

Any idea what I might be missing? Or is this perhaps a quirk of the synth?

*What does the "m" stand for there?

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ELEX
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470 posts since 29 Nov, 2019

Post Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:13 am

Rahodees wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:55 pm Problem description: Basically, the instruments play "inconsistently" from keystrike to keystrike...

Any idea what I might be missing? Or is this perhaps a quirk of the synth?

*What does the "m" stand for there?
No quirk. Your problem is probably related to the oscillator "phase" control. When set to zero, as it is by default, oscillator phase will be random at note on. Setting it to anything other will restart oscillators consistently on the set phase. And thus produce consistent percussion attacks. The working of "phase" in the unison section is dependent of the oscillator phase being set to random or fixed. It will spread in the latter case. "m.env" no doubt stands for "modulation envelope".

documentation can be found here:
https://sound.eti.pg.gda.pl/student/eim/doc/Synth1.pdf

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] Peter:H [
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1653 posts since 22 Sep, 2016

Post Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:37 am

All Our Sins

+++ This is a Submission +++
https://soundcloud.com/p-e-t-e-r-h/all-our-sins

nice dark edm banger. dance now! soon we'll all go to hell.
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08.07.2022 Uploaded a mix wise overhauled version incorporating the amazing feedback of some guys from music cafe
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Details (thx to Richard ... don't ask for the details, it would make me look stupid :-)


33 Instances of Synth1

DAW Fx
Compressor x11
Convolution x1
Delay+ x6
Dynamics x1
EQ+ x22
Multiband FX-2 x1
Peak Limiter x17

Fx plugins:
LoudMax x1
MLimiterMB x3
MLimiterX x1
MSaturator x1
MStereoProcessor x1
MTremolo x9
Valhalla Supermassive x1

 
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] Peter:H [
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1653 posts since 22 Sep, 2016

Post Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:09 am

Rahodees wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:55 pm Problem description: Basically, the instruments play "inconsistently" from keystrike to keystrike. My kick may have a pronounced chirp on one strike, and be a complely dull thud the next, and have levels all between these extremes on different strikes. Similar things happen for other instruments I'm trying to make.
Random Phase. Think of sth like this: The Oscillator oscillates freely and when you strike a key it might happen at the "beginning" of the waveform cycle or anywhere inbetween... imagine a sine wave. You might hit the zero crossing or the max/min value.
what does the manual say about osc phase?

ramseysounds
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1258 posts since 9 Jul, 2014 from UK

Post Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:09 am

I wouldn’t mind entering this but there’s so many rules I’d probably get disqualified 😂😂
No chorus or phaser fx??? 🤷‍♂️
I wonder what happens if I press this button...

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silverpants
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133 posts since 4 Jan, 2022

Post Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:00 am

ramseysounds wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:09 am I wouldn’t mind entering this but there’s so many rules I’d probably get disqualified 😂😂
No chorus or phaser fx??? 🤷‍♂️
If you just use the on-board FX of Synth1 - you can't go wrong. You can use any of those. Chorus included.
Captain Silverpants

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ELEX
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470 posts since 29 Nov, 2019

Post Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:58 am

] Peter:H [ wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:09 am what does the manual say about osc phase?
The 'unofficial' manual says:
"This great option is used to adjust (shift) and fix the phase relations at the moment of triggering Oscillators 1 and 2. This parameter can affect the consistency, color and the fullness of sound.
If you move the knob all the way to the left (zero value), the phase is not fixed (many real analog synths have the same “drift” or difference of the phase.)"


Which is not all that clear. Or even entirely true. After checking with ears and a MIDI triggered scope, as far as I can tell this is what the knob does:

1. When set to zero: randomize the starting phase of both oscillators. Repeating a note causes abrupt timbral variations, so the oscillators are not free running.
2. When not set to zero: shift the starting phase of oscillator 2, while Oscillator 1 starting phase becomes fixed ; combining two pulse waves with "phase" set to 127 results in an octave shift.
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z.prime
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2103 posts since 29 Sep, 2011

Post Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:26 am

Does anyone have a link to the latest *macOS VST* version? It looks like only AU is provided on the site these days :'(

EDIT: It looks like 1.13beta8 is here: https://plugins4free.com/plugin/245/ -- does anyone know where to find a newer macOS VST version?

EDIT2: the link above also links to a zip of 16 thousand more presets

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z.prime
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2103 posts since 29 Sep, 2011

Post Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:40 am

cdbaksu wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:54 amLogic not seeing the plugin...
Maybe try:

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sudo xattr -rd com.apple.quarantine /Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/Components/*.component

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z.prime
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2103 posts since 29 Sep, 2011

Post Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:42 am

Dartelec wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:20 am I have only MacBook Air at my disposal right now and it seems that the UI of Synth1 is just blank. Maybe someone here knows if there's a remedy for that?
I just tested the beta8 VST on my M1 Air and have the same issue: blank screen. Are you using beta8 VST or beta11 AU? I read that the updated AU might actually work? I haven't found a solution but will update you if I do.

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