IK goes AI

[Uncle E]

These are excellent guitar tones. Some of the best I've heard from any modeler, including Kemper, Quad Cortex, and Fractal. Maybe even better.

[noiseboyuk]

Anyway. Really the only purposes I can see for this tech are:

1) guitarists with hardware to have a version of their rig on a laptop which... may (?) be useful sometimes, though an app would probably be more useful so they always have it in their pocket.

2) creating versions for other people without the hardware (kinda obvious). But that doesn't sound that's the purpose of this particular product.

Not necessarily just for Mac/PC users and not necessarily only for modeling your own hardware. There will be more information coming.

Thanks Peter. We await more information...

[jamcat]

I imagine Tone Models will be shareable through tone.net, which I suspect is what it was actually created for.

[Burillo]

i've been listening through the samples given here: https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/a ... hp?p=audio

there are clearly things it does better, and things it does worse. for example, i can clearly pick out the OR120 because the modeled version has more muffled high frequency, less "bite" if that makes sense. similarly, the OCD sample is clearly distinguishable from its modeled counterpart because the model doesn't quite bring out the attack - sounds more muffled than the real thing. in contrast, i can't hear much difference in OD-1, the Fuzz example, and most amps.

i hope the tech gets better over time, but this is a great start! i was eyeing TH-U for this reason (models of rigs I wouldn't otherwise have access to even in modeled form), but it seems like IKMM will scratch that itch as well.

[Unaspected]

Sounds very impressive, but not sure how much of a market there is for it? Looks like it's purely aimed at guitarists with hardware. And, well, they have hardware.

There is great potential for sharing here. If done right, then it could result in an ever expanding tone library with all kinds of additional outboard gear.

interesting thought...there was a time I liked the sharing, especially when I first got my POD and POD XT live, but then I went back to rolling my own as it were. However one thing that I am thankful for, that we didnt have this technology growing up. As a result of my limitations I did build a strong understanding of achieving the tones I like, sometimes it took some creative thinking. I really prefer overdrive to fuzz, my dad built with me an amp from an old ham radio amp, he was so proud it was so clean and I was like "but...but..." I was forever trying to find ways to get my tone and I didnt have the cash to buy pedals. I learned a lot from those days

That's funny. I was thinking about my old POD when I wrote that reply - though, of course, this is very different tech.

It could solve the issue of modelled hardware only being for that one specific unit that whichever company has access to - instead, giving us dozens of RAT pedals, for example. Though I'll also be interested in whether other processors could be modelled this way. Could it sample a channel strip from a console?

If each piece of gear can be captured individually then it would be possible to swap things around. But what I'll be really interested to learn is whether the software can capture parameter changes or will the model be static.

I still like and favour the idea of full algorithmic models but this seems interesting - as long as the software isn't bloated.

[nix808]

thanks for the communication, Peter, from me also.
My curiosity is piqued and I'll watch this space,
maybe not as a user though

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

thanks for the communication, Peter, from me also.
My curiosity is piqued and I'll watch this space,
maybe not as a user though

No problem, glad to pique your interest. Not sure I understand the last line, but that's probably just me not understanding something obvious. It happens

[rollasoc]

Part of me is interested, part of me is worried it will end up like the Positive Grid equivilent from a few years ago. I think we ran one distortion through it. So tried it once and never used the functionality again.

Hopefully, (I have faith it will be) it will be better than that. But given the amount of modulation, delay and reverbs I use, not sure it is for me, yet!

[benjamind]

IK never disappoint when it comes to emulations.

[machinesworking]

Hmm? my only real gripe with Amplitube 5 tone wise is certain high frequencies are harsh, i.e. digitally harsh, not solid state or tube harsh. It all makes sense really, how do you oversample live playing? If their take on amp and cab modeling vs Guitar Rig 6 with it's convolution etc. is capable of getting rid of that sometimes in the right (or wrong really) situation artifacts, I'm all in. I probably am anyway, other amp modeling companies sound great but leave something out.

[jamcat]

Hmm? my only real gripe with Amplitube 5 tone wise is certain high frequencies are harsh, i.e. digitally harsh, not solid state or tube harsh. It all makes sense really, how do you oversample live playing? If their take on amp and cab modeling vs Guitar Rig 6 with it's convolution etc. is capable of getting rid of that sometimes in the right (or wrong really) situation artifacts, I'm all in. I probably am anyway, other amp modeling companies sound great but leave something out.

Try this one weird trick:
Put a second mic on the miked speaker, and invert the phase. Move it around and try different volume levels until you get something you like. You can fine tune the characteristics of the phase cancellation through position and volume of the 2nd mic.

The effect of this will smooth out the cab and make it sound more natural, and diminish the "veiled" effect of convolution.

Also, try to use just the SM57 and U87 mic models whenever possible, because the other mics are actually just swapped through (de)convolution.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

[Uncle E]

Sounds amazing! I wasn’t looking at the screen when the comparisons first started and didn’t realize that it was going back and forth. All sounded the same.

[jamcat]

I hope IK uses the Ai Machine Modeling in-house to rework all of the existing amps and distortion pedals in AmpliTube to be ultra-accurate.

They CAN do this if they wanted to. It’s about time for a total overhaul of all of AmpliTube’s gear.

[Uncle E]

AI Machine Modeling synths please