Slow clap...clap...clap ... Can we now have a MSEG? A Chord-Lane? A Arranger-Lane?

[Tj Shredder]

Imagine a chord track with kind of "chord and scale-aware" plugins like "chord receiver", a "add bass note", a "create inversion" with modulatable inversion-number or "assign channel by note-position in chord" ... or somebody asked "I want to switch layer in instrument layer by the interval of two notes, i.e. quinte and quart routed to other instruments" ... right now I don't know how I would do it. Probabaly it's doable and I'm stupid...
But as I said, I don't think somebody of Bitwig Team is reading here.

This sounds like doable within the existing tools. If you have a track with chords, call it chord track. Then have a note receiver on a different track, which can then use that information to transpose or generate according to your own rules whatever you might think is useful… And for those who can play, instead of a constructed chord track, simply play those chords to modify/control your clips…

[pdxindy]

And don´t forget not every musician/producer is a trained keyboard/piano player!!
In fact I think it´s more the opposite...

You don't have to be a skilled keyboard player to be able to play chords. Playing chords is especially easy these days with quantization. Mostly just takes a bit of music theory to know what to play. And the thing is, if you don't have that knowledge (learned formally or through practice), then you will struggle to use automated tools anyway.

[pdxindy]

Imagine a chord track with kind of "chord and scale-aware" plugins like "chord receiver", a "add bass note", a "create inversion" with modulatable inversion-number or "assign channel by note-position in chord" ... or somebody asked "I want to switch layer in instrument layer by the interval of two notes, i.e. quinte and quart routed to other instruments" ... right now I don't know how I would do it. Probabaly it's doable and I'm stupid...
But as I said, I don't think somebody of Bitwig Team is reading here.

This sounds like doable within the existing tools. If you have a track with chords, call it chord track. Then have a note receiver on a different track, which can then use that information to transpose or generate according to your own rules whatever you might think is useful… And for those who can play, instead of a constructed chord track, simply play those chords to modify/control your clips…

The Note Grid with Pitch Quantize module can 'follow' the chords or scales of any designated track.

[gaf_thit]

After playing a little with the CLAP Vital 1.5.1 beta and the Polyphonic LFOs (you can see them as MSEG if you will), I doubt it I still want a Polyphonic MSEG in BWS.

It's just overwhelming!

+1 Curves already can be chained and able to modulate poly ones more than enough for me too

at least Hive has modulation scope to be able to check the result

I thought for a sec there, that you had gone over to AutoCAD, one of the least used DAWs(yes, it is possible)

[Trancit]

And don´t forget not every musician/producer is a trained keyboard/piano player!!
In fact I think it´s more the opposite...

You don't have to be a skilled keyboard player to be able to play chords. Playing chords is especially easy these days with quantization. Mostly just takes a bit of music theory to know what to play. And the thing is, if you don't have that knowledge (learned formally or through practice), then you will struggle to use automated tools anyway.

Perhaps not simple triads but when it comes to more advanced stuff for sure....

[duanosforde]

Imagine a chord track with kind of "chord and scale-aware" plugins like "chord receiver", a "add bass note", a "create inversion" with modulatable inversion-number or "assign channel by note-position in chord" ... or somebody asked "I want to switch layer in instrument layer by the interval of two notes, i.e. quinte and quart routed to other instruments" ... right now I don't know how I would do it. Probabaly it's doable and I'm stupid...
But as I said, I don't think somebody of Bitwig Team is reading here.

This sounds like doable within the existing tools. If you have a track with chords, call it chord track. Then have a note receiver on a different track, which can then use that information to transpose or generate according to your own rules whatever you might think is useful… And for those who can play, instead of a constructed chord track, simply play those chords to modify/control your clips…

The Note Grid with Pitch Quantize module can 'follow' the chords or scales of any designated track.

I use note receiver/grid on almost all my tracks now, unless I am missing something, which I probably am, trying to set them up as a chord track can get rather complex from my experience. Especially when dealing with arrangements outside of a specific scale, chord modulations, variations, inversions, degrees etc. Chord tracks in studio one is straightforward and excellent for quick on-the-fly experimentation. So for instance, when one of my clients wants the 100000th change on an arrangement, I don't have to re-record each part to make it fit. Instead, I just set both audio and midi to follow in one drop-down on the track, and it follows. Gets me into the ballpark quickly and is very supportive of experimentation and happy accidents. If there is a tutorial out there on how to set this up in BW please share, that would be wonderful

with that said Studio One is great, but I want to move exclusively to Bitwig and eventually ditch the other 2 daws and standalone apps to keep things simple. and if bitwig can add these without losing its current amazingness; I can't see why not.

[xbitz]

Because your use case is different than mine. I'm a programmer who loves generative stuff. you are obviously not.
And tell me how you play the "choose channel based on interval" on your keyboard. I would like to learn that technique and others as well I think...
Anyway ... it's really cool that you give a f**k on my wishes. Thanks. Really enjoy that kind of posts. brought me further in live and I bet you as well.

Live playing is a creative joy, but I enjoy doing generative stuff as well. It's a fun and stimulating exercise...

trance also has similar fun and no need for real-time playing after the initial rhythm/top-riff/chord progression parts (for the parts of the initial ideas)

intervals are pretty strict because of the delays and the long reverb tails, a "fun and stimulating exercise" puzzle-like stuff but need a good piano roll for sure (the composing part is mainly a sliding-block game with (delayed)notes )

ReOrder demos this hybrid(fiddling on the keyboard, drawing the notes by hand) workflow very nicely https://www.armadamusic.com/university/ ... -my-record (new series just started to watch)
I also think this is the most convenient one(trance is the genre)

[pdxindy]

Chord tracks in studio one is straightforward and excellent for quick on-the-fly experimentation. So for instance, when one of my clients wants the 100000th change on an arrangement, I don't have to re-record each part to make it fit. Instead, I just set both audio and midi to follow in one drop-down on the track, and it follows. Gets me into the ballpark quickly and is very supportive of experimentation and happy accidents. If there is a tutorial out there on how to set this up in BW please share, that would be wonderful

You should stick to Studio One for that sort of case...

Using Note Grid with Pitch Quantize to follow other tracks is useful for generative stuff... and could be useful for some live performance stuff too. Only works for midi, not audio of course.

[xbitz]

^^^ S1 hasn't got chord notes highlighting, I've dropped a video about it to y2 I would like to see that piano roll(the Cubase one) in Bitwig

[Fannon]

Imagine a chord track with kind of "chord and scale-aware" plugins like "chord receiver", a "add bass note", a "create inversion" with modulatable inversion-number or "assign channel by note-position in chord" ... or somebody asked "I want to switch layer in instrument layer by the interval of two notes, i.e. quinte and quart routed to other instruments" ... right now I don't know how I would do it. Probabaly it's doable and I'm stupid...
But as I said, I don't think somebody of Bitwig Team is reading here.

I think this is mostly doable right now - although not perfectly integrated.
I've created a MIDI chord and scales pack which you can put on an instrument track. If you need scale quantization, you can do the same with a scale track.
In Bitwig you can now use the Note Grid (e.g. Pitch Quantize module) to limit the MIDI notes to a MIDI track (pick the chord or the scale track). For creating inversions, adding bass, check out Polarities Note Wrap preset: https://github.com/polarity/polarity-mu ... p.bwpreset
I'm pretty sure there's a lot more you can do with Note Grid, it's almost a mini programming environment.

[] Peter:H []

Imagine a chord track with kind of "chord and scale-aware" plugins like "chord receiver", a "add bass note", a "create inversion" with modulatable inversion-number or "assign channel by note-position in chord" ... or somebody asked "I want to switch layer in instrument layer by the interval of two notes, i.e. quinte and quart routed to other instruments" ... right now I don't know how I would do it. Probabaly it's doable and I'm stupid...
But as I said, I don't think somebody of Bitwig Team is reading here.

I think this is mostly doable right now - although not perfectly integrated.
I've created a MIDI chord and scales pack which you can put on an instrument track. If you need scale quantization, you can do the same with a scale track.
In Bitwig you can now use the Note Grid (e.g. Pitch Quantize module) to limit the MIDI notes to a MIDI track (pick the chord or the scale track). For creating inversions, adding bass, check out Polarities Note Wrap preset: https://github.com/polarity/polarity-mu ... p.bwpreset
I'm pretty sure there's a lot more you can do with Note Grid, it's almost a mini programming environment.

Then show us. I've tried in 4.2.5. In grid you can use Pitch-In Module. You can choose two of them and set one to highest note and one to lowest. So at least you can detect a maximum interval. But it's only the "maximum" iinterval. I doubt that you can "detect a chord + it's inversion" and add the bass note of inversion-0 for the chord. if you can detect only highest and lowest you are not able to detect major, minor, sus-2, sus-4 if you see a C and G coming in.
Then I found *no way* to get hold of all notes of a chord and for instance get all possible intervalls. Show us with a four notes chord if you can...
Polarities preset ... is simply a map notes below a note +12 and notes above -12. that has nothig to do with chord detection. it's simply mapping a single note...
Sorry, there's a lack of functionality. Or you show me.

[Hanz Meyzer]

I agree with OP, and add

1. Please add MSEG
2. Please finally make the GUI fluid, so it can run two 5k monitors with 60fps

This time I will resist to upgrade, if this is not addressed. No chance guys... I will even switch to Ableton then, since it has a fluid GUI in comparison.

[Fannon]

Imagine a chord track with kind of "chord and scale-aware" plugins like "chord receiver", a "add bass note", a "create inversion" with modulatable inversion-number or "assign channel by note-position in chord" ... or somebody asked "I want to switch layer in instrument layer by the interval of two notes, i.e. quinte and quart routed to other instruments" ... right now I don't know how I would do it. Probabaly it's doable and I'm stupid...
But as I said, I don't think somebody of Bitwig Team is reading here.

I think this is mostly doable right now - although not perfectly integrated.
I've created a MIDI chord and scales pack which you can put on an instrument track. If you need scale quantization, you can do the same with a scale track.
In Bitwig you can now use the Note Grid (e.g. Pitch Quantize module) to limit the MIDI notes to a MIDI track (pick the chord or the scale track). For creating inversions, adding bass, check out Polarities Note Wrap preset: https://github.com/polarity/polarity-mu ... p.bwpreset
I'm pretty sure there's a lot more you can do with Note Grid, it's almost a mini programming environment.

Then show us. I've tried in 4.2.5. In grid you can use Pitch-In Module. You can choose two of them and set one to highest note and one to lowest. So at least you can detect a maximum interval. But it's only the "maximum" iinterval. I doubt that you can "detect a chord + it's inversion" and add the bass note of inversion-0 for the chord. if you can detect only highest and lowest you are not able to detect major, minor, sus-2, sus-4 if you see a C and G coming in.
Then I found *no way* to get hold of all notes of a chord and for instance get all possible intervalls. Show us with a four notes chord if you can...
Polarities preset ... is simply a map notes below a note +12 and notes above -12. that has nothig to do with chord detection. it's simply mapping a single note...
Sorry, there's a lack of functionality. Or you show me.

Ok, if you want to get the individual pitches, I haven't really tried it. What I was referring to is to quantize pitches down to the notes from a chord or scale track. Sounds like what you would like to do does go beyond that for sure. I never said there wasn't a lack of functionality. I'd really be happy to get a proper chord track + related functionality as well.