Viper｜1.2.2 update with bugfixes and new skin

[adamszabo]

Few pages before i ask imho really simple question why architecture is like this,why fm use osc as source instead of loading separately so on and start ww why am i asking, what i am asking so this time will simplify my question enough not to start a fight with anybody - will there be a future upgrades,which do not simulate something from Virus,just a useful tool for designers and enthusiasts,Adam may have some in mind...or everything is based on users requests and copy virus stuff?
Personaly i thing will be interesting if Adam implement some stuff he miss as designer with Virus so on - could share some ideas too,but don't want to push it if there is no such tendency,cheers:)

Basically I dont want Viper to end up like this:



When you start a project you have to clearly define what the goal is. Viper was meant to be a Virus inspired synth, and I am locked to that architecture. If you want to build a bicycle you cannot turn it into a train later on. When you make a 80s retro soundbank, you dont start adding future bass house wobble sounds in there.

That said, Viper already has some features that the Virus doesnt have, it has a shimmer reverb, it can load user waveforms/wavetables, it has more sub osc waveforms, etc... I can add requests that make sense and dont break the whole architecture, but I cannot change the entire underlying engine.

[Dencheg]

Hey Adam,

Any hints on your plans (either distant or not)? More Viper, or soundsets, or music?
Indulge us

[kmonkey]

Few pages before i ask imho really simple question why architecture is like this,why fm use osc as source instead of loading separately so on and start ww why am i asking, what i am asking so this time will simplify my question enough not to start a fight with anybody - will there be a future upgrades,which do not simulate something from Virus,just a useful tool for designers and enthusiasts,Adam may have some in mind...or everything is based on users requests and copy virus stuff?
Personaly i thing will be interesting if Adam implement some stuff he miss as designer with Virus so on - could share some ideas too,but don't want to push it if there is no such tendency,cheers:)

You try to say that the current product is not for sound designers (which is ridiculous) and then you think something you want is in your opinion simple to do.

Why don't you build your synth and be done with it?

Instead of begging developers to do something you want. It looks like you want to push the developer to promise something for you to spend some money on this product. I don't think it's working like that. You are setting up yourself for failure.

You purchase a product based on the current feature set. Not on what the product could turn out to be in the future. That is pure nonsense right there.

[adamszabo]

Hey Adam,

Any hints on your plans (either distant or not)? More Viper, or soundsets, or music?
Indulge us

I will add the Grain and Formant oscillators from the Virus Ti to Viper, the prototype code works, I just need to implement it properly. The great thing is that you can use them on your own wavetables too . And speaking of new features, I will add a new osc blend mode using the fm, which I havent seen in any other synth. Then of course lots of bugfixes, and more soundsets later. This is all huge work, so it will take time.

[Dencheg]

Thanks for the heads-up and cheer-up!

[Lbdunequest]

Hey Adam,

Any hints on your plans (either distant or not)? More Viper, or soundsets, or music?
Indulge us

I will add the Grain and Formant oscillators from the Virus Ti to Viper, the prototype code works, I just need to implement it properly. The great thing is that you can use them on your own wavetables too . And speaking of new features, I will add a new osc blend mode using the fm, which I havent seen in any other synth. Then of course lots of bugfixes, and more soundsets later. This is all huge work, so it will take time.

Great update coming up! Will you will also going to add Oversampling?

[VELLTONE MUSIC]

Few pages before i ask imho really simple question why architecture is like this,why fm use osc as source instead of loading separately so on and start ww why am i asking, what i am asking so this time will simplify my question enough not to start a fight with anybody - will there be a future upgrades,which do not simulate something from Virus,just a useful tool for designers and enthusiasts,Adam may have some in mind...or everything is based on users requests and copy virus stuff?
Personaly i thing will be interesting if Adam implement some stuff he miss as designer with Virus so on - could share some ideas too,but don't want to push it if there is no such tendency,cheers:)

Basically I dont want Viper to end up like this:



When you start a project you have to clearly define what the goal is. Viper was meant to be a Virus inspired synth, and I am locked to that architecture. If you want to build a bicycle you cannot turn it into a train later on. When you make a 80s retro soundbank, you dont start adding future bass house wobble sounds in there.

That said, Viper already has some features that the Virus doesnt have, it has a shimmer reverb, it can load user waveforms/wavetables, it has more sub osc waveforms, etc... I can add requests that make sense and dont break the whole architecture, but I cannot change the entire underlying engine.

Agree it's pointless to change the architecture,just there is some stuff i wish to see some day released - it's not the first time i mention it,here in kvr to few developers,probably is it difficult to be implemented - Lfo phase have starting point,but not end point - i call it frame,can't remember any synth to have such and this will give serious flexability to choose fragments or to move the frame in real time.
It's not about my opinion,it's about evolution of music tools,which synths are.
I continue to dig into dark side of sound design power( hihihihih start wars joke if you are not fans and wonder wt),so just share ideas i generate from experiments.
Cheers

[VELLTONE MUSIC]

Few pages before i ask imho really simple question why architecture is like this,why fm use osc as source instead of loading separately so on and start ww why am i asking, what i am asking so this time will simplify my question enough not to start a fight with anybody - will there be a future upgrades,which do not simulate something from Virus,just a useful tool for designers and enthusiasts,Adam may have some in mind...or everything is based on users requests and copy virus stuff?
Personaly i thing will be interesting if Adam implement some stuff he miss as designer with Virus so on - could share some ideas too,but don't want to push it if there is no such tendency,cheers:)

You try to say that the current product is not for sound designers (which is ridiculous) and then you think something you want is in your opinion simple to do.

Why don't you build your synth and be done with it?

Instead of begging developers to do something you want. It looks like you want to push the developer to promise something for you to spend some money on this product. I don't think it's working like that. You are setting up yourself for failure.

You purchase a product based on the current feature set. Not on what the product could turn out to be in the future. That is pure nonsense right there.

Don't like your tone and ridiculous conclusions you make - read more carefully what i am writing then comment...

[Aliens]

Kmonkey nailed it.

[adamszabo]

Lfo phase have starting point,but not end point - i call it frame,can't remember any synth to have such and this will give serious flexability to choose fragments or to move the frame in real time.

I dont really understand what you mean, if you draw a picture or show it in some way, I can perhaps see if its possible or not

[VELLTONE MUSIC]

visualization is easy - Viper use vertical line to point starting point you can move with phase knob,imagine another knob doing the opposite backward,pointing the end of LFO curve - will be very usable if somebody implement such function some day,cause users will be able to use specific part of lfo shape or to move in real time to another shape moving the frame of start and end points...it's not a request or complaining,just an idea about more flexible lfo control.
Adore Viper,just share ideas for possible upgrade,if it's technically possible

[Chris-S]

Question (maybe a bit stupid): Can Viper store in Virus patch format? So that Viper patches could be used in the Virus?

[Dencheg]

Question (maybe a bit stupid): Can Viper store in Virus patch format? So that Viper patches could be used in the Virus?

On behalf of Adam (I think he commented on this question somewhat earlier) - currently no. It's even harder to program than importing from Virus to Viper (which in it's turn was a tremendous work)

[adamszabo]

On behalf of Adam (I think he commented on this question somewhat earlier) - currently no. It's even harder to program than importing from Virus to Viper (which in it's turn was a tremendous work)

Yes thats correct

[adamszabo]

visualization is easy - Viper use vertical line to point starting point you can move with phase knob,imagine another knob doing the opposite backward,pointing the end of LFO curve

I still dont really understand, just open windows paint and draw a picture dude Viper doesnt use any "vertical line", I am not sure where you are getting these. Anyway, I dont think you really know how the internals of a synth work. The phase knob only tells the lfo where to start from for the first cycle when you press a key, after the first cycle, it will loop again from the beginning of the wave. It wont get sliced up to start from that point like you imagine. I think you want to slice or warp the lfo to have start and endpoints in the single cycle? Thats why I said to draw a picture because it would make sense instantly.