NI Komplete 14

[vurt]

programmers aren't robots is the only thing you need
ie they don't all work at the same speed.
that's life.

im gutted absynth is gone, but they're a business, if they don't make something you want, go elsewhere.
the things we have, use till they don't work, like you would any actual real item.
nothing lasts forever, not even the universe.

Absynth isn't gone though, it just smells a bit.

well gone from the package, as it means anyone just getting in to computer audio can't enjoy how bloody great it was

absynth is dead, long live absynth.
the nation mourns, for you!

[Echoes in the Attic]

Indeed, comparison with u-he and other synth developers is ridiculous and pointless.

...the comparison with u-he is ridiculous, that's true, but insinuating that Super 8, Monark, Form, Kontour, Razor, Rounds, Skanner XT and TRK-01 would be standalone synths, that could be compared to the synths in u-he's portfolio is ridiculous as well. These synths are very useful and mature, but they're still based on Reaktor and will most certainly not be developed any further. They might only get maintenance updates through Reaktor, but no new features or in some cases not even bug-fixing (but I might remember it incorrectly).

Obviously.

https://www.kvraudio.com/versions.php?p=4899

https://www.kvraudio.com/versions.php?p=7866

Just the ones which are in KVR's database, the other ones of course also received updates, but, NI doesn't keep an update history. And, the ones on KVR doesn't have to be complete either, but, I don't know that really. I have seen it on some products that the latest versions weren't listed.

Up until 8 years ago (when they last seemed interested in synthesizers).

Alternative facts again? They released Massive X in 2019.

I was referring to your examples and was semi-joking, hence the wink. Should have said, when they were last interested in their other synthesizers (reaktor ones in particular). I know that isn't really true, which is why it was silly that they claimed Absynth didn't align with their current portfolio...

[machinesworking]

programmers aren't robots is the only thing you need
ie they don't all work at the same speed.
that's life.

im gutted absynth is gone, but they're a business, if they don't make something you want, go elsewhere.
the things we have, use till they don't work, like you would any actual real item.
nothing lasts forever, not even the universe.
move on, get high, tune out.

That's the thing though, some companies spend the effort to keep old "outdated" software alive, some do not. U-He, Arturia, Waves etc. all keep products around they could easily deprecate, NI does not.

Despite all the whinging and complaining about whinging, personally I like to know what to expect from a company, so I don't mind at all the "complaints" about NI. I've been vocal about NI and their slash and burn policies since forever here, you, whyterabbit and I argued about it years ago, with him trying to paint it out like that was all in the past. It's not, it's how they do business, and knowing that you know what of their products you can count on to be around and which you can count on for a certain amount of time.

Basically despite any forum drama it provides it's a Public service to be aware that NI released Pro53 and Absynth years ago and they're now gone. Meanwhile U-He Zebra and Arturia's Moog Modular are still here being updated. It's not bad to know what to expect from a company.

[vurt]

some complaints are valid of course, i was more looking at those who seem to forget, it is a business, and they take it personally.

like i said, im gutted about absynth, they f**ked up guitar rig 6, and massive x had a very bumpy start
so im not a fan boy and as i say here, some complaints are valid, whining not so much. there's a difference

[soulata]

I have K12 Ultimate. Skipped 13. Will probably upgrade to the standard Komplete if Kontakt 7's any good.

I'm far from impressed with K14.

k

[pdxindy]

I was referring to your examples and was semi-joking, hence the wink. Should have said, when they were last interested in their other synthesizers (reaktor ones in particular). I know that isn't really true, which is why it was silly that they claimed Absynth didn't align with their current portfolio...

FM8 was released 16 years ago and it is pretty much the same as when it was released. Massive was also released about the same time and in the first year after it was released it had some significant updates. Since then not much other than maintenance.

NI's approach is more like how hardware was. They release something, update it a bit, then it is basically a finished product and they keep it until eventually discontinuing it.

[pdxindy]

Basically despite any forum drama it provides it's a Public service to be aware that NI released Pro53 and Absynth years ago and they're now gone. Meanwhile U-He Zebra and Arturia's Moog Modular are still here being updated. It's not bad to know what to expect from a company.

Yeah... NI is not bad or evil for their approach to development. It is good to understand it and act accordingly. Other than Reaktor and Kontakt, they mostly don't do ongoing development on their plugins. It is what it is.

[GMusic]

Over the years there's always disappointment with each Komplete released. So nothing new there. Absynth being dropped after being there 22 years is odd, but expected in a way due to lack of significant updates.

Overall, Komplete is still a great value that provides pretty nice quality content that covers a variety of genres. The consistent product releases, value, and Native Access allows people to pick and choose what they want to easily install/uninstall at a given time.

Currently I'm more impressed with NI than other big companies like Spectrasonics, who I've loved for a long time. The last we've had from them are expensive, fairly genre focused "extensions" for Omnisphere. NI at least keeps things fresh with consistent updates and new content.

[Jonessee]

I am going to upgrade to Komplete 14 Collectors - will be selling Arkhis if anyone is interested

[Gribs]

SolidWorks was launched in 1995.
LightTools is over 30 years old.
Matlab was first released as a commercial product in 1984.

Cleve Moler was in residence at ima.umm.edu working on the sparse matrix tools for Matlab circa 1991 when I was a postdoc there (1990-92).

These are my main professional engineering software tools. Many others have similar or longer histories (ANSYS was founded in 1970, for example). The developers adapt and rewrite various engines and UI’s to keep up with developments and advances in computer tech. There is no reason this could not be done for beloved tools under the Native Instruments umbrella like Absynth. The company just made a business decision. We will see if it is the right decision of if the company crushes itself under Kontakt library bloat.

[machinesworking]

Basically despite any forum drama it provides it's a Public service to be aware that NI released Pro53 and Absynth years ago and they're now gone. Meanwhile U-He Zebra and Arturia's Moog Modular are still here being updated. It's not bad to know what to expect from a company.

Yeah... NI is not bad or evil for their approach to development. It is good to understand it and act accordingly. Other than Reaktor and Kontakt, they mostly don't do ongoing development on their plugins. It is what it is.

Yep you said it clearly. Kontakt, Reaktor and Traktor are staples, the rest is a rotating line up of various distances from the sun.

I really hope Komplete Control stays around, but even that is suspect, there have been multiple attempts at preset wrappers of various types, and a huge portion of NI's customer base is using DAWs like Live, Bitwig, Logic, and others that map parameters to control surfaces with varying degrees of success, but none take a wrapper plug in to do it. I opted for Unify instead personally.

[LeVzi]

If someone says Kontakt 7 is so far superior to 6 I might consider the upgrade from Komplete 12 at some point, but tbh, I am moving away from it best I can. But in some cases, I simply cannot as yet.

[Jmf1928]

SolidWorks was launched in 1995.
LightTools is over 30 years old.
Matlab was first released as a commercial product in 1984.

Cleve Moler was in residence at ima.umm.edu working on the sparse matrix tools for Matlab circa 1991 when I was a postdoc there (1990-92).

These are my main professional engineering software tools. Many others have similar or longer histories (ANSYS was founded in 1970, for example). The developers adapt and rewrite various engines and UI’s to keep up with developments and advances in computer tech. There is no reason this could not be done for beloved tools under the Native Instruments umbrella like Absynth. The company just made a business decision. We will see if it is the right decision of if the company crushes itself under Kontakt library bloat.

This! Photoshop, Illustrator, Excel, all of those keep rolling along too. The early NI stuff just needs a facelift rather than any meaningful Sonic improvements. Can’t see upgrading to 14 or maybe anything beyond the 13 CE I have.

[nanostream]

My main takeaway is that Reaktor is going to survive the switch to Apple Silicon. Porting it will take considerable effort, which almost certainly means there’s a long term future for Reaktor.

Which probably means we‘ll see new Reaktor based synths and other tools once the dust settles, possibly improvements to the Blocks ecosystem (NI should offer a separate, user friendly Blocks Racks app, imho), and maybe even further development of Core.

I just can’t imagine they’ll port it and let it linger. I’m assuming they view it as a strategically important product, just like Kontakt, which bodes well for Reaktor‘s future. That’s my hope, anyway.

[soulata]

Bought K12 Standard.

Q: is it possible to download the existing libs before 27th?

Kontakt 7 won't be there for some time but other libraries have been available for quite some time.

Won't be home for a while that's why I'm asking.

Btw, 1st time ever I'm upgrading to a lesser bundle. I've been Komplete Ultimate customer since forever. But this one, meh. Still, they got 199€ from me so it can't be THAT bad

k