[Fixed in 4.4] Weird bug: latest "Spectral Suite" update not included in upgrade plan

[pdxindy]

I'm now hoping that Bitwig stays quiet as a social experiment to see exactly what will really happen in the days/weeks/months to come. That will be far more interesting than all that amazing music that I'm sure will be created with the help of the spectral plugins.

I think nothing much will happen and it will fade out relatively quickly. Bitwig will announce the beta of 4.4/5.0 pretty soon and it will be a solid and interesting update and many users will be satisfied that they will keep receiving the sort of updates they have come to expect on their annual plans. And hopefully, if Bitwig wants to make some change again in the future they wont make such a mess next time.

[h2ogun99]

I'm now hoping that Bitwig stays quiet as a social experiment to see exactly what will really happen in the days/weeks/months to come. That will be far more interesting than all that amazing music that I'm sure will be created with the help of the spectral plugins.

I think nothing much will happen and it will fade out relatively quickly. Bitwig will announce the beta of 4.4/5.0 pretty soon and it will be a solid and interesting update and many users will be satisfied that they will keep receiving the sort of updates they have come to expect on their annual plans. And hopefully, if Bitwig wants to make some change again in the future they wont make such a mess next time.

100% agree.

[Phil B]

And you’re complaining about him complaining about them complaining….

Really don't get why people are this upset about this.

Although high in quantity, I actually think the takes have been pretty sober. I think it’s the people complaining about people complaining that are blowing it out of context and proportion

I dunno. One guys said he would piss on bitwigs office, another is trying to round up people to sell Bitiwg or boycott, lots of people speculating negatively on their finances, starting polls and threads hoping to show people wouldn't renew, posting Bitiwg staff names in threads and more.

All a bit childish and dehumanising tbh.

There quite a lot of

I’m glad you’ve let them know how childish and dehumanizing they are for criticizing people on message boards

At least they’re complaining about a company breaching a contract with them. You’re complaining about them complaining about a company breaching a contract with them

I’m not complaining at all. Definitely making fun of, but if this goes on for a 100 more pages it wouldn’t bother me in the slightest

[simmo75]

I think we’re seeing how bizarrely die hard certain Bitwig fans are, lol!

Not really fans, more like disciple’s!
Hmmm , I wonder if there’s any correlation in that?

I mean I love the DAW, not the shitty unethical business model.

[JsinOwl]

I think we’re seeing how bizarrely die hard certain Bitwig fans are, lol!

Not really fans, more like disciple’s!
Hmmm , I wonder if there’s any correlation in that?

I mean I love the DAW, not the shitty unethical business model.

I don't think they're fans. I think they're employees or relatives of employees or something along those lines. They show up periodically and for the most part don't address peoples' arguments, just toss some ad hominem attacks around and then duck out for a while.

From what I can tell, we're an angry mob of sock puppets who don't actually use Bitwig, trying to make the company crash and burn.

Even though no one has said that or expressed any such thing. We all just want Bitwig to honor the terms of the upgrade plan. We've talked about the EULA, we've talked about the principles involved, the ethics, possible legal ramifications. We 've discussed what recourse we as individuals might take to make our displeasure known to Bitwig with more than just words. It has been, by and large, quite interesting, thoughtful, and fairly productive. I've enjoyed reading everyone's perspective, and I think it's important to keep this discussion going.

So thanks everyone, well done, keep it up.

[perpetual3]

Said it before, and I’ll say it again. I love the DAW and what I can do with it more than this poorly communicated and mismanaged policy shift. If that ethical aspects of the business practice matter more, then by all means stop using the DAW. And if another DAW comes around which I prefer more than Bitwig, I won’t hesitate to go to that DAW. Because I don’t view myself as having a relationship with Bitwig as a company. I view myself as using Bitwig as a tool, as an instrument for me to create my music. If a better tool comes around, I’ll use that. Right now, Bitwig does it better than all the rest for me.

I think we’re seeing how bizarrely die hard certain Bitwig fans are, lol!

Not really fans, more like disciple’s!
Hmmm , I wonder if there’s any correlation in that?

I mean I love the DAW, not the shitty unethical business model.

[Phil B]

I think we’re seeing how bizarrely die hard certain Bitwig fans are, lol!

Not really fans, more like disciple’s!
Hmmm , I wonder if there’s any correlation in that?

I mean I love the DAW, not the shitty unethical business model.

I don't think they're fans. I think they're employees or relatives of employees or something along those lines. They show up periodically and for the most part don't address peoples' arguments, just toss some ad hominem attacks around and then duck out for a while.

From what I can tell, we're an angry mob of sock puppets who don't actually use Bitwig, trying to make the company crash and burn.

Even though no one has said that or expressed any such thing. We all just want Bitwig to honor the terms of the upgrade plan. We've talked about the EULA, we've talked about the principles involved, the ethics, possible legal ramifications. We 've discussed what recourse we as individuals might take to make our displeasure known to Bitwig with more than just words. It has been, by and large, quite interesting, thoughtful, and fairly productive. I've enjoyed reading everyone's perspective, and I think it's important to keep this discussion going.

So thanks everyone, well done, keep it up.

Can this be, like, a sticky at the top of every page?

[machinesworking]

Said it before, and I’ll say it again. I love the DAW and what I can do with it more than this poorly communicated and mismanaged policy shift. If that ethical aspects of the business practice matter more, then by all means stop using the DAW. And if another DAW comes around which I prefer more than Bitwig, I won’t hesitate to go to that DAW. Because I don’t view myself as having a relationship with Bitwig as a company. I view myself as using Bitwig as a tool, as an instrument for me to create my music. If a better tool comes around, I’ll use that. Right now, Bitwig does it better than all the rest for me.

Some people boycott Nestle, they might like the chocolate, but the companies unethical policies make buying it impossible to bear. More succinctly do not conflate outrage with a personal relationship. You have a business relationship, you pay them for a product, and when a business does something shady and I have any choice about it at all, I stop doing business with that company until they change that policy. This is not about "relationships", those of us that can and will leave if nothing is done are not married to the DAW.

[tempsperdu]

Some people boycott Nestle

Quite rightly they made God Blend undrinkable... although that wasn't the worst of their crimes......allegedly

[lokio]

Let's say they had changed thier EULA etc in advance, made an announcement and generally made this change properly. Do people see SS as "highly specialized device" or more of a "core feature"?

[pekbro]

A highly specialized core feature...

[FakeNatty]

a core feature people paid for through their upgrade plans.

Highly specialized and core arent mutually exclusive, and neither of them justifies breaking EULA and dishonestly changing product descriptions after people have paid for it years and years.

Either way, it's something people paid for with upgrade plans and was promised by Bitwig to be paid for. Bitwig can decide if they want to make a highly specialized 1-knob module or a 20-knob synth, but what they cannot justifiably do is to change the terms however they like (especially AFTER the fact that people have paid for Bitwig and upgrade plans) and start charging for something they've promised to be included within Bitwig purchases and upgrade plans.

[Lazarus451]

Let's say they had changed thier EULA etc in advance, made an announcement and generally made this change properly. Do people see SS as "highly specialized device" or more of a "core feature"?

It's Bitwig, so there is a small or vague difference between core and special. Spectral Suite in Pro Tools or Cubase would be highly specialized. But to my knowledge, Bitwig is more than just a simple DAW, it's also a modular sound manipulation environment.

[PatrickW]

Really don't get why people are this upset about this.

Although high in quantity, I actually think the takes have been pretty sober. I think it’s the people complaining about people complaining that are blowing it out of context and proportion

I dunno. One guys said he would piss on bitwigs office, another is trying to round up people to sell Bitiwg or boycott, lots of people speculating negatively on their finances, starting polls and threads hoping to show people wouldn't renew, posting Bitiwg staff names in threads and more.

All a bit childish and dehumanising tbh.

There quite a lot of

Congratulations !
You found the troll in this thread !

[Tj Shredder]

I remember we had similar useless discussions when Bitwig went to 2.0. If the spectral suite would be part of the next update, a lot of people would complain that they are not interested in it and BW should concentrate on workflow and basic functions of the DAW. We simply don’t know what 4.4/5.0 will give us. They might lower the price for the updates and want to compensate with add-ons or whatever. All this is pure speculation.
The only flaw I see, is the communication between the company and the community. (Da ist noch Luft nach oben…)