The mistake you're making is to think that doing that requires you to "screw around" with MIDI CCs. I mean, maybe it does for that specific library but in every VST host I've ever use, I wouldn't have a clue what MIDI CCs are doing what. You assign something to your Mod Wheel or a macro knob or use MIDI learn. What CC it is never comes up and the process is very simple/straightforward.Chr!s wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:43 amI'd invite you over sometime to fire up any of my orchestral libraries, or solo instruments like say the Violin from Ancient Era: Persia and let's just say: If you can make that sound like a realistic, decent-sounding, string performance without having to touch CC1, 11, 2 for vibrato control, another for speed control, another for portamento control, and then keyswitches to add ornamention, change articulations, etc.
I've had discussions here wiwth people who think you need to have every instrument in an orchestra on a separate track, with it's own instrument. It's madness.jamcat wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 9:12 amYeah, I never understood that either. What are they doing, close miking a symphony orchestra? (Which would fall under “doing it wrong.”)
It's not the what, it's the why and I see no reason to do it that way, no advantage. My drums are all on a singlel stereo track most of the time. Sometimes I might use two different instruments for drums, then I'll have two channels in the mixer, but that's the max I'll bother with these days. And teh thing is, if I compare to older mixes, where I used multi-outs from Battery, the drums sound better now. There is so much control over individual samples in a drum instrument like Battery, that you can do all your sound shaping there, you don't need to bother with multi-outs._leras wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 1:47 pmFor drums - you might have two kits that each have some layered samples or some fx hits, all rendered out on individual tracks.
Again, why? You're just making things far more complicated than they need to be, for zero benefit. You ight record things that way but when you're mixing, it makes sense to combine things into something more manageable. In Studio One, you can pretty much treat each audio clip like it's in a separate channel anyway, it doesn't actually need to be in a separate channelFor vocals, with modern production this could again be quite simple. Main vocals layered, ad lib effects could very easily be ten tracks, and these could be separated into different sets of tracks for different verse chorus, and that's not even counting if you were then to be doing vocal effect where you're chopping up a vocal into different samples and arranging each on their own track.
Like what? I'm not seeing it. OK, you might have to make some minor compromises to combine a whole lot of things into one track but, in my experience, those compromises are well worth it, because they allow you to do a better job in the end.I mean - not everyone needs to do this, but there are definitely valid reasons for producing this way.
But they are still making your Mixer unwieldy, forcing you to scroll around and all that kind of shit that makes it harder to do a good job.And they wouldn't all be playing at once.
No reason we can't be doing the same. There is no reason that things you might have to record separately need to remain in a separate track throughout the process.vurt wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 2:13 pmalso , the beatles, while they may have used 4/8/16 track recorders, there was a fair bit of mixing down and rerecording over tracks, meaning they were in essence using more tracks.
I dunno, a dozen or so, maybe. I could probably cull 'em to 8 or 9.
Not from where I'm sitting, especially that IM track, which isn't at all complex. And just because they choose to do it that way, doesn't make it the best way or the correct way. If they'd done it with 10 tracks, they might have got it done in half the time, and it may have turned out better, but it would make the YT video look a bit boring. My own experience tells me that is very likely.Artists, who use regularly over 100 tracks (proven - MDK has a demo track, delivered with FL Studio, and for Infected Mushroom, there is a video on YT, where they tell, that they have many, many tracks in each project) and doing it very right (not to say they are of the best IMO).
