Zebra 3 and Zebra Legacy

[zvenx]

"Here's the catch: Everyone who obtains a license for Zebra2 by buying Zebra Legacy on or after November 15th for only 99€ will not have such an upgrade path. That's simply because it's such a bargain already."

I hope you rethink this and offer an upgrade path for less money for those customers, like me, I bought Zebra Legacy earlier today, but it's absurd if you expect your customers to cough up the full amount to get v3, especially if it's just round the corner and when you offer the v2 licence holders the upgrade for 30 euros!
You also had Diva on sale last year, so when Diva 2 comes out, will those people miss out too because they got it at a low price? I only bought Zebra Legacy as it was on offer, but with the thought of upgrading once v3 comes out at a decent cost!

Please rethink it, don't let greed push more potential customers away!

Its not an offer, its a permenent price. Its your own fault for not reading or expecting something that is not said. Everything is clearly written.

Others paid 179 a few days before you got yours for 99, why? Because it came with conditions.

Indeed how many times did u-he say it.
You got everything for 99 euros which some of us have spent over 400 euros to get..

Btw Zebra3 is nowhere near around the corner...my guess is middle 2023 if we are lucky.
rsp

[jv1080]

I just bought Zebra Legacy and I am amazed at its power and versatility! With 4000 presets to play with, I am going to spend lots of time just browsing and noodling about. I couldn't appreciate both quality of the sound and power of the features until after a purchased a license. It's such a monster that you really need to take your time with it and read the manual. If you are on the fence about buying a license, just go ahead and do it. In my opinion, the presets and sounds of Zebra are similar *in spirit* to the famous Roland JV/XV presets. Not that they sound like samples, but rather the quality of the patches are so good that they will become timeless staples of music creation.

[brightonrock]

I think that Zebra2 is closer to my vision of a great synth than ZebraHZ. I think ZebraHZ requires extra effort & skills - it is purposed for very demanding tasks beyond Zebra's original scope. Whenever Zebra2 gets the job done, I'd choose Zebra2 over ZebraHZ.

Thanks for that insight. I was about to ask "if you have both Zebra2 and ZebraHZ, do you just use ZebraHZ from now on?"

[Glitchy]

"Here's the catch: Everyone who obtains a license for Zebra2 by buying Zebra Legacy on or after November 15th for only 99€ will not have such an upgrade path. That's simply because it's such a bargain already."

I hope you rethink this and offer an upgrade path for less money for those customers, like me, I bought Zebra Legacy earlier today, but it's absurd if you expect your customers to cough up the full amount to get v3, especially if it's just round the corner and when you offer the v2 licence holders the upgrade for 30 euros!
You also had Diva on sale last year, so when Diva 2 comes out, will those people miss out too because they got it at a low price? I only bought Zebra Legacy as it was on offer, but with the thought of upgrading once v3 comes out at a decent cost!

Please rethink it, don't let greed push more potential customers away!

Its not an offer, its a permenent price. Its your own fault for not reading or expecting something that is not said. Everything is clearly written.

Others paid 179 a few days before you got yours for 99, why? Because it came with conditions.

Indeed how many times did u-he say it.
You got everything for 99 euros which some of us have spent over 400 euros to get..

Btw Zebra3 is nowhere near around the corner...my guess is middle 2023 if we are lucky.
rsp

I don't want to sound like an arrogantly blunt idiot by saying this, but when you take into account that Zebra2 was priced at $199, ZebraHZ was $99, and Zebra Legacy includes both of those and a lot of additional soundsets that used to cost money as well, you're essentially paying $99 for a product that used to cost more than $298 (I don't remember how much each soundset was, sorry).

Consider the +$199 you did not spend as the upgrade path.

[zvenx]

Indeed.

The soundsets were about 30-35 Euros.. I think the Skool family were 45 Euros.
rsp

[ralfrobert]

I also see it this way: The Z2L package is a real powerhouse that you can have fun with for years ... or you can get some serious work done with it. For 99 bucks, this is a steal.

[4damind]

I currently have Zebra 2 installed in demo mode and am still testing if it is suitable as an alternative to Absynth for my music (which unfortunately is no longer supported by Native Instruments).

I don't know the old price with all the libraries.... but I think 99€ is reasonable for a somewhat older plugin that probably wasn't on many people's wish list. Since there is no update path from Legacy to Zebra 3, this is not a disadvantage for existing Zebra users.
But I still hope that Zebra 3 will be maybe 100€ cheaper for Zebra 2 Legacy users
I think the 4300 presets alone make Zebra Legacy worthwhile. Also native M1 support for Mac users and of course as VST3 on Windows and Mac.

[lunardigs]

Wow, so generous with the sound banks ... didn't realize what I was missing.
Crystallia is really nice; I think I found an approximate Harry Styles - As It Was sound in there: FMagic

[joeyluck]

Yeah I believe the total cost of Zebra2 ($199) + ZebraHZ ($99) + all the soundsets (about $350) would've been around $650 total. And today you get all of that for $99. That is an incredible deal.

I would imagine that any crossgrade discount, while accounting for that deal and being fair to those who paid much more, would not be a greater than any future sale price of Zebra3 down the road.

And who knows what the future holds. Maybe owners of Zebra Legacy + Zebra3 will get the biggest discount offer on Zebra4? BTW when do the Zebra4 threads start?

[LoveEnigma18]

Firstly, a big thanks to Urs and team for Zebra Legacy. Very generous indeed.

I am demoing Zebra Legacy and might get it sooner or later, especially because I am new to Zebra and have no clue right now if would want Zebra 3.

But I still wanted to leave a thought on Zebra 3 upgrade discussion. While there is no disagreement that Zebra Legacy price is no-brainer given the value, irrespective of trying to do something to justify what other users paid for in the past and not having an upgrade path to Zebra 3 at all for Zebra Legacy owners, why not give, for example, ~25% off of the retail Zebra 3 price? So, if Zebra 3 was priced at 249€, offer Zebra Legacy owners a 189€ (upgrade instead of 30€ upgrade for Zebra 2/Dark Zebra owners). While it defeats the purpose, you could even make it a time-limited deal when Zebra 3 is eventually released. I think it would make sense as it would encourage more people to upgrade to Zebra 3.

I understand that it is all done in good faith and to make all customers happy, but Zebra Legacy would bring a whole lot of new customers and having an upgrade path to Zebra 3 for them will only make them happy. Don't think it will bother Zebra 2/Dark Zebra users, especially when the upgrade price difference is that huge.

[soundof]

It's incredible how so many are triggered on here because of a very logical question, logic has escaped a few it seems! Getting so defensive about "value for money" bla bla bla! No doubt U-He will generate a number of new sales because of this offer, and specifically because of this offer for Zebra Legacy, and the only reason I bought it was because of the price! I don't care how many preset banks are offered or how much they were previously, it's about the cost right now of the package, it was to entice people to purchase it, it worked on me as I'm sure it'll work on few more!
I wasn't even aware that v3 may be coming out soon as I haven't followed the U-He exclusive news, seems the U-He official support forum is here and I found this out today!
I think all U-He products were 50% off last year via Native Instruments, I suppose by the silly arguments made here about value for money, those customers will not be entitled to the same upgrade path as those who paid the full price!
Remember, this is software, the code has already been programmed, they're not doing anything extra for me or the next customer, not like a physical product! Just a case of automatically sending me the registration details.
I have purchased lots of plugins over the years, vast majority on sale as I am a sucker for sales, but I could have gone by without getting Zebra (this VST is from 2003 I believe) as I have for all those years, but I sent some money to U-He because of this specific offer, I wouldn't have bought it at full price, else I would have done it by now considering it's age!
I do not need to get the upgrade to v3 as I am sure the current version will carry on working for years to come, but surely it's logical that a reasonable upgrade path is made possible for all Zebra owners, not just some! If not, it should be on the product page that no product upgrade path is available for Zebra Legacy owners, not on the news page, not any forum, right where the button to add to cart or top of the page for the Zebra Legacy product which is where most people will likely end up when they see the offer!
I saw it on the main KVR News page, clicked on the link, then clicked on Zebra Legacy on the U-He website and bought it, no mention of no upgrade path anywhere on that page!

[joeyluck]

The way I see it, while Zebra3 is of course still a part of the Zebra line based on name and concept, it's more of a crossgrade than an upgrade, right? Because it's going to be a separate product, it won't be compatible with Zebra2/HZ patches, and Zebra Legacy will continue to be sold and supported alongside it. They maybe could've called Zebra3 something different, like Okapi?

I'm not trying to make an argument against any potential discount offer. But if you're new to Zebra and just now getting Zebra Legacy, my guess is you'll be plenty occupied with it for quite a long time and then there might be a sale on Zebra3 down the road that would probably be just as good or better than any crossgrade offer they might be able to offer today... And maybe they will still offer the dinosaur crossgrade for Zebra3?

[vurt]

the logic is, there was a cutoff date for the upgrades. was listed in the news item.
one could have chosen to purchase z2 and zhz before legacy was dropped on the 15th.
waiting for the cheap option means you missed the cut off date.

[dayjob]

They maybe could've called Zebra3 something different, like Okapi?

then, as urs stated, people would just ask "when is Zebra3 coming out?"

[vurt]

They maybe could've called Zebra3 something different, like Okapi?

then, as urs stated, people would just ask "when is Zebra3 coming out?"

followed by a lot of "wtf is an okapi?"
not everyone seems to watch wildlife documentaries.