i'm a fan and a collector of old delays emulations and want to debate about them

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i think there is and interesting commercial policy of much devs who propose so much emulations of existing harware delays and tape echo units of the past

i'm very likely a bit biaised by the magnificients of the interface and the smart advertising stategy of the developpers, but at the same time it is compensate by the overall low price policy their builted up to sell their products, so all in all it is quite like a no brainer for me

so let me give me my comparative opinion to the ones i already own

Wavefactory Echo Cat

very attractive aspect of the user interface that emulates one of the first tape echo hardware unit...and all in all we have a very detailed ensemble of old and modern parameters to tweak with, my only grip is intrinsequely part of tapes emulation, it has a very unstable and drastically colouring feedback effect, a bit tricky to use by consequence

Waves Kramer Master Tape

Very smooth sounding unit with a limited but relevant amount of parameters, the only reproach would have the option to sync the delay time ...as a single record/playback loop it seems easier to have a stable feedback

Wave J37

Attractive GUI and it seems to have a complete amount of parameters...but some of them seems to me rather outdated (wow and flutter section create with two LFOs applied either to volume and pitch...not very realistic !)

U-He Satin

Likely one of the first of these emulation in the virtual market, ...offering also a through zero flanger effet, very complete and diverse in itself, let say that the impressive amount of models and parameters into the tape circuit section implies again that you'd need to take your time to find musically relevant presets ...i see this unit as an experimental one that often goes beyond musical need, as would have been early synth of the seventies (like AKS synth)

Sonic Charge Echobode

interesting unit that obviously is primarily targeting weird sound effets and abrasive sonorities, being based on a coarse frequeny shifter ... i assume in the pure tradition of sonic charge products

Softube Tape Echoes

Likely the best one IMO in term of equilibration between intuitiveness and musicality at one hand and variety/complexity at the other (and this GUI is a real beauty !!!) ...the only grip is that it was rather expensive when i bought it

Audiothing Alborosie Dub Station

I think this one has been a piece of genius as a marketing strategy : THE delay effect from Kingston, from the heart of reggae music...for this only reason i was sold !!! ...i must admit i do not really understand the interest of the impedance parameter and how in influence the resulting sound but never mind,...my only regret would be a more flexible spring reverb unit (with also a shorter tail and perhaps a stereo spread parameter)

Audiothing Outer Spaces

One of the best Roland Tape Echo emulation when it came out,...i regret that the reverb cannot be ALSO included into the feedback loop, but i assume it needed to be a faithful emulation ?

Audiothing Reels

A late update gave a real addition to this plugins, that though, is a bit too colouring for my taste, perhaps a way to tame this ?

Audiothing Wires

Again a piece of genius in marketing strategy IMO,...as the emulation of an echo unit coming out of the 2nd world war ...wow !!!!,

the point is that for such a faithfull emulation, you must be a lover or collector to appreciate the drastic influence of wow/flutter, drops and clicks parameters, very impressive but not very musical at the least...but anyway : it sounds really unique !

Audiority Echoes T7E mkII

I bought it because it seemed to be the most complete emulation of the Binson harware unit...of course a bit counterintuitive to tweak so i forgot it a bit... :oops:

Audiority Space Station UM-282

Multitap delay and reverb emulation of the Ursa Major harware unit, ...i'm just wondering on how much costed the original harware unit when it came to the market, no modulation parameters but i assume it has its own internally, ...still a bit confused by the atypical set of parameters honestly !
Last edited by Krakatau on Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:29 am, edited 2 times in total.

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Even though you are talking about emulations, I would like to add this crazy thing :) :

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Krakatau wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:22 pmAudiothing Wires

Again a piece of genius in marketing strategy IMO,...as the emulation of an echo unit coming out of the 2nd world war ...wow !!!!,

the point is that for such a faithfull emulation, you must be a lover or collector to appreciate the drastic influence of wow/flutter, drops and clicks parameters, very impressive but not very musical at the least...but anyway : it sounds really unique !
Depends on the music. I found application in some voice work I was doing. It might also feature in some darker guitar based music that I'm working on. I really like the motor noise and coupled envelope follower.


Krakatau wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:22 pmAudiority Echoes T7E mkII

I bought it because it seemed to be the most complete emulation of the Binson harware unit...of course a bit counterintuitive to tweak so i forgot it a bit... :oops:
Bought this mostly for the distortion. It's found its way into some drum processing for a Kontakt based instrument that has been long overdue for release. I'll likely be using it for drum processing in other projects. Yet to try it for bass distortion.

It does take a little getting used to - especially how the controls change with each mode. The additional functionality does work in context but isn't something that always needs addressing so workflow can be reasonably quick with experience.

It's a lot of fun to play with live.

What I find to be even more of a tone box though is the Echoplex emulation: PlexiTape.


Krakatau wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:22 pmAudiority Space Station UM-282

Multitap delay and reverb emulation of the Ursa Major harware unit, ...i'm just wondering on how much costed the original harware unit when it came to the market, no modulation parameters but i assume it has its own internally, ...still a bit confused by the atypical set of parameters honestly !
Yet to try this as I know I'll buy it if I do.


quintosardo wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:35 pm Even though you are talking about emulations, I would like to add this crazy thing :) :

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Pretty.

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I prefer most of the functionality of vintage delays being covered in the nice elegant single UI of ValhallaDelay personally. Though I do like the IK emulation of the Space Echo as well.

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Echoes in the Attic wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:58 pm I prefer most of the functionality of vintage delays being covered in the nice elegant single UI of ValhallaDelay personally. Though I do like the IK emulation of the Space Echo as well.
looks relevant i can't decently contradict this statement...

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Echoes in the Attic wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:58 pm I prefer most of the functionality of vintage delays being covered in the nice elegant single UI of ValhallaDelay personally. Though I do like the IK emulation of the Space Echo as well.
Agreed, though I just happen to prefer IK’s Tape Echo a bit more. I often use Tape Echo to do a short doubling and preamp grit with an instance of Valhalla Delay to handle longer delays. The great thing about Delay is that it’s just so feature complete. I’m using a bunch of issues in my current track, doing everything from basic delay to full on Frippertronics style looping. (Oddly Enso is crashing on me so I had to pass on using it. No response from Audio Damage yet, but it’s only been a few days. I guess it does say “damage” in the name. :lol:)

But maybe the king and queen of gritty delays are Pulsar Echorec and Moog’s MF-104S. The first is a magnetic drum emulation and the Moog’s a BBD, but both are amazing when you want to get super dirty.
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Krakatau wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:22 pm Audiothing Wires

Again a piece of genius in marketing strategy IMO,...as the emulation of an echo unit coming out of the 2nd world war ...wow !!!!,

the point is that for such a faithfull emulation, you must be a lover or collector to appreciate the drastic influence of wow/flutter, drops and clicks parameters, very impressive but not very musical at the least...but anyway : it sounds really unique !
For me I use it very subtly on synth sounds and it adds a lot of unique character in a musical way. Too much and it can be a garbled mess of bad radio signals and clicks and pops.

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seangm wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 4:15 pm
Krakatau wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:22 pm Audiothing Wires

Again a piece of genius in marketing strategy IMO,...as the emulation of an echo unit coming out of the 2nd world war ...wow !!!!,

the point is that for such a faithfull emulation, you must be a lover or collector to appreciate the drastic influence of wow/flutter, drops and clicks parameters, very impressive but not very musical at the least...but anyway : it sounds really unique !
For me I use it very subtly on synth sounds and it adds a lot of unique character in a musical way. Too much and it can be a garbled mess of bad radio signals and clicks and pops.
indeed...you're right

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Krakatau wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:01 pm
Echoes in the Attic wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:58 pm I prefer most of the functionality of vintage delays being covered in the nice elegant single UI of ValhallaDelay personally. Though I do like the IK emulation of the Space Echo as well.
looks relevant i can't decently contradict this statement...
Surreal Machines Modnetic is another contender maybe.

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https://www.surrealmachines.com/

I really like Modnetic. On sale right now. The Dub Machines bundle with Modnetic and Diffuse is a nice package. Definitely worth it if you are into this kind of thing
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I agree Audiority Plexitape is very good.
Martinic Lem Echo Music is another one.
And Audiothing Outer Space
And GenuineSoundware VariSpeed (copycat)
I like to collect vintage echo emulations too!

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UAD of course have some of the best delays out there. These all have really great levels of sonic fidelity.

Space Echo
https://www.uaudio.com/uad-plugins/dela ... -echo.html

EP 34 tape delay
https://www.uaudio.com/uad-plugins/dela ... ep-34.html

Korg
https://www.uaudio.com/uad-plugins/dela ... ep-34.html

Cooper
https://www.uaudio.com/uad-plugins/dela ... -cube.html


Bitwig Delays
I have to also give a lot of credit to the built in Bitwig delay. These have a feedback loop where you can drop in fx such as saturators, filters and create some really great tones and musical feedback loops.

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I wish there was a plugin that sounds as alive and ‘3D’ as OTO BIM… Or a proper PCM42 emulation.

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I always use my delays in a dub mixing setup where I send the aux to itself instead of adjusting the feedback in the delay plugin itself, that way I can put whatever I want in the feedback path. You can really make some amazing sounding delays this way. A nice side effect of this is if you pan the channel slightly it will keep panning further and further on every repeat, great for creating depth. I recently added a compander and spring reverb to the Pulsar Echorec, sounds pretty good. Spring reverb/chorus/phasers in the feedback path is just instant Rhythm & Sound/Basic Channel vibes.

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Korneff Audio Echoleffe best old tape delay emulation :? :hug:
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