Zebra 3 and Zebra Legacy

[WatchTheGuitar]

Van den Plas in car terms

[pierb]

I do not consider ZebraHZ an upgrade to Zebra2. It is what Hans wanted and not necessarily representative for the best possible workflow or the most consistent assembly of modules.

Honestly I vastly prefer using Zebra 2 over ZebraHZ. I find the workflow a lot more polished.

[robisme]

Honestly I vastly prefer using Zebra 2 over ZebraHZ. I find the workflow a lot more polished.

Considering I use plugmon Neumann pro, what kind of workflow am I missing by using exclusively Zebra HZ ?

[pierb]

Considering I use plugmon Neumann pro, what kind of workflow am I missing by using exclusively Zebra HZ ?

Sorry I have no experience with the Plugmon stuff. I've tried some of their themes for Zebra and Hive but they are not for me.

Regarding the vanilla themes, I find Zebra 2 has a more polished workflow. Stuff like the filters opening in modules rather than the bottom panel, or just clicking in the grid and have the module focused which doesn't happen with the Diva filters.

Or when you click on the grid you get this huge dropdown of options. This solution worked with less modules but with the added modules of ZebraHZ it doesn't work that well IMO.

[Tekkera]

Honestly I vastly prefer using Zebra 2 over ZebraHZ. I find the workflow a lot more polished.

Considering I use plugmon Neumann pro, what kind of workflow am I missing by using exclusively Zebra HZ ?

Nothing. That's the thing. It's just a superior version with Neumann because Neumann works with both 2 and HZ. And the workflow in Neumann is also just better than all the other skins due to the layout and general way that you don't need to go through so many tabs

Edit: DotEight is way better than the HZ skin but Wombat Flat helps a lot in regards to that and it's free. Neumann pro isn't free but works with 2 and HZ, and is one of the only skins that actively improves the workflow by immense margins.
From purely stock workflow 2 is better but once you get a workflow improving skin, HZ is just better and expands synthesis horizons. I have absolutely no reason to use 2 anymore since the workflow is the same across the skins. I hope u-he partners with plugmon again and includes a skin that has a better more information dense layout. Since we don't use 800x600 screens anymore it would be nice to have new options like Neumann available by default.

[Tekkera]

Yes. The reason it came up is purely because Hans wanted it. I added some things that I was going to try anyway, but which would ultimately be done better in Zebra 3. He liked those things and we kept them in there for him.

I do not consider ZebraHZ an upgrade to Zebra2. It is what Hans wanted and not necessarily representative for the best possible workflow or the most consistent assembly of modules.

I didn't mean like... it was designed to be an upgrade. I meant upgrade in the sense it improves upon what was already existing while retaining all previous features. Very sorry about the poor wording!

[TENETfanboy]

Yes. The reason it came up is purely because Hans wanted it. I added some things that I was going to try anyway, but which would ultimately be done better in Zebra 3. He liked those things and we kept them in there for him.

I do not consider ZebraHZ an upgrade to Zebra2. It is what Hans wanted and not necessarily representative for the best possible workflow or the most consistent assembly of modules.

Personally I’ve never even touched the regular Zebra 2, I bought both at the same time and always had the mindset of “ZebraHZ is just Zebra 2 but more, so why would I even bother using Zebra 2?” And thus I’ve never used it

[QLNE]

Always late to the party…didn’t get the email. It’s bizarre the amount of shade being thrown at the developer. I willingly pay for licensing to use a vast amount of U-he products to support further development. To accuse U-he of anything but up-front business practices is laughable. I have used Z2 and ZHZ, both purchased separately, for years. I’ve certainly received my money’s worth. Support your developer if you like the product.

AF

[robisme]

I purchased Z2 and HZ just 2 month ago, full price obviously (well, with the dinsaur offer).
But I don't feel I was stolen at all when Legacy was release, because they are veeeeery good synth. And having a free upgrade path for Z3 in several month ? I was ready for paying for that ; this is really a gift (Especially since it is actually a different product).
I can't understand people having everything fore 99 € and still crying for a discount for a future app.

[PieBerger]

I purchased Z2 and HZ just 2 month ago, full price obviously (well, with the dinsaur offer).
But I don't feel I was stolen at all when Legacy was release, because they are veeeeery good synth. And having a free upgrade path for Z3 in several month ? I was ready for paying for that ; this is really a gift (Especially since it is actually a different product).
I can't understand people having everything fore 99 € and still crying for a discount for a future app.

It's their own fault for not religiously following Zebra development for at least the last 2 years

[robisme]

I discovered u-he this summer, and hadn't followed anything, simply I was accustomized to pay for every updates when I used windows software (spectrasonics, native instruments, Cubase, etc). That, now, discovering the great offerts of u-he makes me happy, and I couldn't imagine myself grumbling after such a generous offer.

[petedako]

I don't use/know that skin, but I've been using Zebra since I joined the forum 16 years ago…and now own everything else U-He had released. I just bought the last U-He software title today I didn't have yet …and I'm arranging to get the CVlization eurorack module

After a few weeks of using the HZ version, and mostly because I started reading old threads from when I had not been around I finally found one secret feature I miss from Z2 and that I didn't realize we had —  using Z2's OSC1 Export .wav wavetable command to create our own custom wavetables for HIVE. Besides that one thing — I like the (twice as many) extra modulators and filters and bonus modules like RESONATORs and Compressors — too much to choose Z2 over HZ

It's hard to find a lot of sympathy for brand newbie new users trashing every little nitpick before they even dig in and start using it. Like if you really want to make it do what your other synth that everybody else use does, why not just use your other synth?

Anyway back to HZ vs Z2 — it IS so great to have the Batman sounds — though it was surprising and odd discovering Hans Z's preferred ModWheel settings — for people that don't use synths that might freak them out that have the ModWheel all the way down (often a default postion) completely silences the sound —not that it's not a good idea, just a bit unexpected.

Lastly — maybe a bit embarrassing maybe to admit this after so many years now that there's like 10,000 of them in each instrument I'm finally getting around to s-l-o-w-l-y reorganizing presets properly so I have sounds I want right away instead of the default sets—with smarter tagging and organizing subfolders that make the best sense to me. Its such a great system for presets and I love that it's uniform across the line, so might as well take advantage of it, right?
Still way too easily distracted and having too much fun making new sounds to be that practical - but didn't want to be the only one not complaining

Considering I use plugmon Neumann pro, what kind of workflow am I missing by using exclusively Zebra HZ ?

ps sorry I had to hit edit cuz I accidentally hit return/post halfway through leaving my comment

[Tekkera]

This has been bothering me for a while, I so badly just want some XY midi controllers but they just don't seem to exist! I feel like the only way to make it exist is getting a little midi controller commissioned or something. I don't like tablet midi stuff but I think that's the only other option.

[PieBerger]

This has been bothering me for a while, I so badly just want some XY midi controllers but they just don't seem to exist! I feel like the only way to make it exist is getting a little midi controller commissioned or something. I don't like tablet midi stuff but I think that's the only other option.

If you have the skills and or time and or determination, you could build your own

[FapFilter]

i think it would be much easier if you "just" programmed an app for that on a tablet PC.