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[glokraw]

If for example, some synth had a dozen quite different, yet iconic sounds, those dozen could be used like init presets for folders of sounds focussed on the various iconic sound types. I'll guess very few people still alive could accurately 'hear' and correctly recognize a severely accurate emulation. But people sometimes evade buyers remorse by endlessly praising whatever they paid for. I'm still thrilled if an LED lights up when I power-on my old QS8

[Waynerama]

Great deal. I got Hive 2 and the Repros from NI, and I kinda regret not getting Diva, such is life.

[Urs]

I'll guess very few people still alive could accurately 'hear' and correctly recognize a severely accurate emulation.

But that is the whole point, isn't it? - This way marketing departments can peddle their rubbish to unsuspecting victims.

To clarify, I don't care much if companies make their virtual Minimoogs a bit prettier, simpler and easier than they originally were. But they shouldn't claim that they're state of the art, when the state of the art has long passed them. And to me, nothing shows that better than Minimoog emulations.

[glokraw]

I have a really old Toyota, and a fairly old BMW. I really enjoy driving them both, but the differences between them in quality are obvious and many. The Toyota goes to WalMart, The BMW goes on vacation. I have every confidence in your desire and ability to preserve synth history and make it available to your customers. Your work on preset management will also help keep the purest sounds separate from any using modernized capabilities, should they be desired. Like a folder named PPM
(Pure MiniMoog)

There's a boxed Model D at

https://reverb.com/p/moog-minimoog-mode ... -1971-1982

only $18K (Torino Italy...? Is an IK guy selling it? )

[Urs]

No worries, we have a 1971 Model-D with all the most desired features.

[zvenx]

Even Stevie Wonder can read between the lines that it is the Softube one that bugs you the most .
I don't have access anymore to a hardware minmoog, but from my emotional memory it replicates it well (well enough for me anyway). But ironically even beyond replicating it, it does what Zebra like not many other synth do, sonically easily fits into a project/track/song/cue without much tweaking or eqing or compressing etc.
It just fits.

And I have all of them mentioned: Monark, Legend, Diva, model 72, Uad, Gforce.
rsp

[sacer]

In gearspace a lot of people can distinguish the software against the real ones:
https://gearspace.com/board/product-ale ... tem-9.html

Right now i am still happy with the legend, but would buy all of your accurate synths.

[zvenx]

I had participated in that thread, but just glanced thru it again.
Was there any blind a/b test or just people saying they can tell the difference (I saw a few of the latter).

rsp

[Urs]

And I have all of them mentioned: Monark, Legend, Diva, model 72, Uad, Gforce.
rsp

Moog have one on their own, and I think there are a few more that I haven't felt like checking out.

TBH, they all disappoint me on the same level, but apart from a list of obvious omissions, some also simply sound wrong/broken. The UAD open sounds good, but I think it's also the most clean one of them all.

Once/if I get to do this, I'll happily post a list of details and test procedures, even audio comparisons.

[PieBerger]

Great deal. I got Hive 2 and the Repros from NI, and I kinda regret not getting Diva, such is life.

There will be the usual influx of people selling old spare licenses after purchasing the bundle from NI I'm sure, keep your eyes peeled!

[zvenx]

And I have all of them mentioned: Monark, Legend, Diva, model 72, Uad, Gforce.
rsp

Moog have one on their own, and I think there are a few more that I haven't felt like checking out.

TBH, they all disappoint me on the same level, but apart from a list of obvious omissions, some also simply sound wrong/broken. The UAD open sounds good, but I think it's also the most clean one of them all.

Once/if I get to do this, I'll happily post a list of details and test procedures, even audio comparisons.

Oh Right they do... yeah it uses some kind of au3 shell and only works on mac?

No need to post the comparison.. I believe you (though the differences may not be important to me)..
I will wait for your own one day.
rsp

[Urs]

Well, some things are rather obvious. Other things are subtle. Each have been considered important at a time when we were doing this.

[Waynerama]

Great deal. I got Hive 2 and the Repros from NI, and I kinda regret not getting Diva, such is life.

There will be the usual influx of people selling old spare licenses after purchasing the bundle from NI I'm sure, keep your eyes peeled!

Hahaha. You're probably right. Good call.

[Fannon]

I'll guess very few people still alive could accurately 'hear' and correctly recognize a severely accurate emulation.

But that is the whole point, isn't it? - This way marketing departments can peddle their rubbish to unsuspecting victims.

To clarify, I don't care much if companies make their virtual Minimoogs a bit prettier, simpler and easier than they originally were. But they shouldn't claim that they're state of the art, when the state of the art has long passed them. And to me, nothing shows that better than Minimoog emulations.

Maybe the problem here is that marketing tells what people think they want, not what they actually want or need? And that it works and therefore got established to do this.

At least for me, having synth that sounds nice and is flexible and easy to use is much more important than it being as authentic as possible. I think that's the route that Diva is going, right?

I'm sure there are people who would be able to tell the difference, but that's probably less then 1%. So going through all that effort just to get to a level of authenticity that almost all users wouldn't notice or wouldn't value doesn't sound like a pragmatic perspective from sales (although I totally get Urs for wanting to do this anyway). The job of marketing people is often to tell people what they want to hear and often they don't know / understand the differences themselves, because it's not their job and skillset to be fair)

[Urs]

A lie is a lie though. And I do think an authentic version sounds better (maybe less “gorgeous” but certainly more characterful and alive), even though it may be more difficult to master.