The V chord is boring?

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jancivil
KVRAF
24223 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville

Post Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:18 pm

exist01 wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:15 am So I've come to a point where I'm finding the V chord to be almost unusably basic. Part of it is that the major 7th interval for the V sounds very out of key and can't be used in most cases, and the dominant 7th interval doesn't sound great a lot of the time either. This makes it so that most of the time the V chord remains a basic major triad, which is super lame.
These are very odd things to see, really. I went right to a more objective set of replies, ignoring this, but maybe also for the room it can be examined for a second…
an interval in itself doesn't sound great a lot of the time? That’s a rather large chunk of sonorous possibility. Maybe what is meant is the dominant seventh harmony? The minor seventh interval is not that (“dominant”), through itself. “Dominant” is a function.
EG: minor “v” doesn’t perform this function. If it’s the Major/minor 7 chord with its tritone, it’s also a large chunk to discount so easily.

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Artie Fichelle
KVRist
121 posts since 28 Nov, 2004

Post Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:03 am

Ok now, give me some of those boring chords, and I will show you how to make it interesting. Let's say a piece of 30 seconds.
artie fichelle sounds natural

Farnaby
KVRist
92 posts since 3 Sep, 2021

Post Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:20 am

Bach and Beethoven seemed to make the V chord quite interesting, as did The Wombles with their seminal We Wish You A Wombling Merry Christmas.

I suppose it is possible that your art hasn't quite reached these heights, and that the problem lies with your use of the chord rather than the chord itself.

jancivil
KVRAF
24223 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville

Post Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:52 pm

well, that’s of even higher probability than the prospect the OP shall never return

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EdwardGivens
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140 posts since 4 May, 2022 from drippy, rainy wet western Oregon, USA.

Post Sat Dec 24, 2022 3:12 am

Remember children:
"when you are bored, you are boring to be with"
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playerpiano
KVRer
4 posts since 7 Jan, 2023

Post Mon Jan 16, 2023 2:05 am

Mindful voice leading can really unlock the potential of the V7 (i.e. Bmb6 D7 Gmaj13), but, as a guitarist, I find V9's to be a tad bit more subtle and way more useful. Great for secondary dominants too!

atwoslottoaster
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5 posts since 27 Jan, 2023

Post Thu Jan 26, 2023 5:02 pm

playerpiano wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2023 2:05 am Mindful voice leading can really unlock the potential of the V7 (i.e. Bmb6 D7 Gmaj13), but, as a guitarist, I find V9's to be a tad bit more subtle and way more useful. Great for secondary dominants too!
Just to piggyback on this one, it's also fun to take those more dense V chords but leaving off a pitch too. Sometimes easier said than done, but the lack of certain pitches in a chord makes it even more interesting!

playerpiano
KVRer
4 posts since 7 Jan, 2023

Post Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:41 am

atwoslottoaster wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2023 5:02 pm
playerpiano wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2023 2:05 am Mindful voice leading can really unlock the potential of the V7 (i.e. Bmb6 D7 Gmaj13), but, as a guitarist, I find V9's to be a tad bit more subtle and way more useful. Great for secondary dominants too!

Just to piggyback on this one, it's also fun to take those more dense V chords but leaving off a pitch too. Sometimes easier said than done, but the lack of certain pitches in a chord makes it even more interesting!
I agree! Omitting octaves and fifths can pull so much more color out of the thirds and sevenths.

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AsPeeXXXVIII
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643 posts since 17 Aug, 2015 from Finland

Post Sat Jan 28, 2023 7:50 am

A basic V chord can be boring. And it can not be boring. To me, it depends on the context given by the surrounding chords.
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jancivil
KVRAF
24223 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville

Post Sun Jan 29, 2023 1:07 pm

it’s almost as though musical thought is contextual

seangm
KVRian
622 posts since 7 Dec, 2017

Post Sun Jan 29, 2023 1:22 pm

F- the IV chord too, I hate that mugger fugger

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