I checked and I don't see it in their portfolio. Perhaps they sold their share to someone else. The company is listed as privately held with private equity participation.PAK wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:31 am Since Waterland Private equity purchased a majority stake in Image Line about 3 years ago.. I guess that makes the actual owners Waterland.
Image Line Acquires UVI
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- Banned
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- KVRAF
- 1767 posts since 20 Feb, 2003
Yes, I think you're correct that there's something more to it since Tikehau Capital list Image Line as one of their companies..tony10000 wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:29 amI checked and I don't see it in their portfolio. Perhaps they sold their share to someone else. The company is listed as privately held with private equity participation.
https://www.tikehaucapital.com/en/our-g ... -portfolio
The OP link mentions Waterland, as does an article from the website mna.be, which contains the original Feb 2019 news of the "purchase". BTW that source also includes the claim Image Line has (as of Feb 2019) 10 million users, and that it was adding users at the rate of 1 million per year..
- KVRian
- 1362 posts since 11 Jun, 2020 from Woop Woop
I guess we'll be needing to confirm with UVI support how this will affect license transfers, since it's pretty clear how IL feel about the subject.
Until forever fades away.
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an-electric-heart an-electric-heart https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=182734
- KVRAF
- 2513 posts since 13 Jun, 2008 from Napier,New Zealand
I doubt everything UVI will be sucked up and become part of FL. I imagine they'll still be two separate companies. It wouldn't make any sense to spend all that money buying a company and then just give it all away to people who've already purchased FL.
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- KVRian
- 757 posts since 26 Sep, 2007
Your impression supports the assumption that they serve slightly different segments of the market. And FL's segment is likely broader (more casual).pdxindy wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:04 am That seems unlikely to me... My impression from looking at what evidence there is from the outside is that Ableton Live is the most used DAW.
I see way more demos of plugins, hardware, etc. demo'ed in Live than FL.
Ableton has far more midi controllers dedicated to it than FL does. Looking at the marketing blurbs of various controllers and related hardware, they all mention compatibility with Live.
Of course Live is more prestigious in the industry than FL, and Live users are more likely to be potential customers of (even expensive) audio gear. But that's not really related to the size of the userbase.
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- KVRist
- 288 posts since 4 Dec, 2003 from Oregon, USA
Exactly this.an-electric-heart wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 7:12 amI doubt everything UVI will sucked up and become part of FL. I imagine they'll still be two separate companies. It wouldn't make any sense to spend all that money buying a company and then just give it all away to people who've already purchased FL.
But i do forsee a new DAW soon from UVI.
FRUITY FALCON
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- KVRAF
- 2481 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
As they said in the hitchhiker guide to the galaxy: Don't Panic.
We will still support all DAWs.
Commercialy wise, it would not make sense to stop getting sales from non FL studio user
We will still support all DAWs.
Commercialy wise, it would not make sense to stop getting sales from non FL studio user
- KVRAF
- 3378 posts since 25 Apr, 2011
Fruity Loops = Fruity Loops.
They changed the name in 2003. Which means Fruity Loops isn't anything anymore for 20 years now.
Weird how 'certain' people still call it 'Fruity Loops' ..
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an-electric-heart an-electric-heart https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=182734
- KVRAF
- 2513 posts since 13 Jun, 2008 from Napier,New Zealand
Are you implying people call it "Fruity Loops" as an insult? Like in a condescending way?... I call it Fruity Loops, but I like FL Studio. It's the only DAW I use. I call it Fruity Loops because that's what it was called when I started using it (around 2001 I think) and just never stopped calling it that, regardless of the official name now... we all know what "F.L" stands for.exmatproton wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:10 amFruity Loops = Fruity Loops.
They changed the name in 2003. Which means Fruity Loops isn't anything anymore for 20 years now.
Weird how 'certain' people still call it 'Fruity Loops' ..
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- KVRAF
- 6293 posts since 12 Jan, 2018
Interesting and unexpected move. It will be exciting to see the developments in the next couple of years. For starters, perhaps more such UVI bundle sales at Image-Line in the near future? Or will they start adding select UVI sound libraries to FL Studio Signature/All Plugins editions as someone mentioned earlier?
- KVRAF
- 6208 posts since 25 Dec, 2004
maybe us old people do use (the actual name) "Fruity Loops" in a derogatory way, it was a bit of a toy back in they day. And the whole mouse head thing probably doesn't help the stigma in the eyes of said 'old people', but most of us had a good bash on Fruity Loops when it was in very early stages. I'm sure it's developed a lot since then. Regardless, to me it will always be Fruity Loops.
sketches... http://soundcloud.com/onesnzeros
some artists i support... https://bandcamp.com/spectraselecta
some artists i support... https://bandcamp.com/spectraselecta
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- KVRAF
- 12080 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
Mouse head thing? I was aware of a little dancing girl animation but not a mouse head! FL has come a long way, but it is still focused on pattern based music making IMO.sqigls wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:54 am maybe us old people do use (the actual name) "Fruity Loops" in a derogatory way, it was a bit of a toy back in they day. And the whole mouse head thing probably doesn't help the stigma in the eyes of said 'old people', but most of us had a good bash on Fruity Loops when it was in very early stages. I'm sure it's developed a lot since then. Regardless, to me it will always be Fruity Loops.
I guess most DAWS 20 years ago would look like a bit of a joke now- Ableton Live didn't even get midi until V4!
X32 Desk, i9 PC, S88MK3, S1, BWS, Live + PUSH 3, Osmose, RedShift 6 Pro3, Tempera, Syntakt, Digitone II, OP1-F, OPXY, Eurorack, TD27 Drums, Guitars, Basses, Amps and of course lots of pedals!
- KVRAF
- 6208 posts since 25 Dec, 2004
sorry... M0u5E H3Ad
yeah Live's MIDI is still a joke.
yeah Live's MIDI is still a joke.
sketches... http://soundcloud.com/onesnzeros
some artists i support... https://bandcamp.com/spectraselecta
some artists i support... https://bandcamp.com/spectraselecta
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- KVRAF
- 5444 posts since 15 Feb, 2020
Element of truth there in why some old folk are jealous of Joel’s success, and won’t change the name they used when they tried V1 of the SW they bought in a Bangkok market. Old dog, new tricks, etc.
It was never a toy though, just did a limited set of things in its own way. Good luck to UVI and FL.
It was never a toy though, just did a limited set of things in its own way. Good luck to UVI and FL.
I lost my heart in Cap de Creus
