TAL-Drum: add a sequencer
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- KVRist
- 115 posts since 6 Oct, 2018 from Alpen
I know it's been mentioned before and decided against, but I think a relatively simple pattern based sequencer would fit the 'good old days' vibe that's so attractive about both Drum and Sampler. For more complicated beats, sure a DAW is probably best, but for getting a quick beat together when inspiration strikes, an all-in-one TAL Drum package would be great IMHO.
- KVRist
- 198 posts since 6 Sep, 2016 from Otago, New Zealand
yeah it's been discussed and it was agonised over during development and...we decided against it. The last time I discussed it with Patrick there were no plans to add it. fwiw I was involved in the development of Xils Lab StiX too and there was a big push to add a sequencer to that and it was an extremely non-trivial thing to include. I never ever use it because it's just much easier to do it in the DAW where I'm used to the workflow.
I used to use the original FXPansion Geist sequencer because it did some clever things that (at the time anyway) Reaper didn't do but I feel with the state of most modern DAWs now there's not much argument (IMO) for sequencers within plugins. Maybe with plugins that also have a standalone mode it makes a lot of sense. With a VST you could hook up a pad controller, hit record in the DAW and capture any inspiration pretty quickly.
I used to use the original FXPansion Geist sequencer because it did some clever things that (at the time anyway) Reaper didn't do but I feel with the state of most modern DAWs now there's not much argument (IMO) for sequencers within plugins. Maybe with plugins that also have a standalone mode it makes a lot of sense. With a VST you could hook up a pad controller, hit record in the DAW and capture any inspiration pretty quickly.
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- KVRist
- 69 posts since 5 Oct, 2004 from Brooklyn, NY.
also agree
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neverbeeninariot neverbeeninariot https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=350084
- KVRian
- 936 posts since 3 Feb, 2015 from UK
If you want a simple pattern sequencer, your DAW's midi editor is a much better and more flexible place to work.
Adding a sequencer to a drum plugin only makes sense if the functionality far exceeds what you can do easily in the DAW; Pattern randomisation, polymeters, pan/pitch/probability/etc per hit, pattern chaining, etc. You get the idea - think SB Drum Computer, or Geist 2 - This would be worthwhile, at least for the users, but if I was the dev, I'd be thinking seriously about the development effort Vs the return on that effort. As EV noted above, it is a non-trivial piece of work, and TAL (afaik) is a one-man dev team with a growing catalogue to maintain.
That's not too say that I wouldn't want to see a full-fat, balls-out, kitchen sink, batteries included sequencer because I think it would be truly awesome, however I also think that it's very, very unlikely to happen and I'm fine with that. At the same time, I really don't see the point in adding something that's trivially reproducible in the DAW.
Adding a sequencer to a drum plugin only makes sense if the functionality far exceeds what you can do easily in the DAW; Pattern randomisation, polymeters, pan/pitch/probability/etc per hit, pattern chaining, etc. You get the idea - think SB Drum Computer, or Geist 2 - This would be worthwhile, at least for the users, but if I was the dev, I'd be thinking seriously about the development effort Vs the return on that effort. As EV noted above, it is a non-trivial piece of work, and TAL (afaik) is a one-man dev team with a growing catalogue to maintain.
That's not too say that I wouldn't want to see a full-fat, balls-out, kitchen sink, batteries included sequencer because I think it would be truly awesome, however I also think that it's very, very unlikely to happen and I'm fine with that. At the same time, I really don't see the point in adding something that's trivially reproducible in the DAW.
- KVRist
- 69 posts since 5 Oct, 2004 from Brooklyn, NY.
everyone has different work flows. one of those workflows is using internal sequencers. there is no “better way” when creating. it’s flow. it’s wonderful that you have a flow that works for you. i’d like a sequencer.
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- KVRist
- 451 posts since 18 Feb, 2019
I would much prefer to see sound design and sampling features prioritized over an internal sequencer. I have so many midi sequencers I can quickly hook up. Just to add to the conversation
- KVRist
- 116 posts since 14 Aug, 2006
please no sequencer, keep it simple, with low cpu
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- KVRist
- 302 posts since 17 Jun, 2019
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Schnickschnack Schnickschnack https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=558579
- KVRist
- 135 posts since 31 Mar, 2022
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- KVRian
- 986 posts since 7 Dec, 2017
I'd like a sequencer on Tal-Drum but I understand that some people don't so I think your solution works for both.Schnickschnack wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 5:46 pmSo we need a sequencer in Tal-Drum that can be collapsed in the GUI and then does not have an effect on the CPU usage. One that has to be turned on manually, and is off by default maybe.
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neverbeeninariot neverbeeninariot https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=350084
- KVRian
- 936 posts since 3 Feb, 2015 from UK
I'm more about doing it in the DAW, but an internal sequencer can have advantages (e.g. easy step control over pitch, and pan, etc...).
Lets pretend for a minute that a sequencer is going to be added. What features would be essential, what would be nice extras, and what would be gravy on top?
Personally, if it's not Geist2 level sequencing, I'll probably be disappointed
Lets pretend for a minute that a sequencer is going to be added. What features would be essential, what would be nice extras, and what would be gravy on top?
Personally, if it's not Geist2 level sequencing, I'll probably be disappointed