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N 4 LIFE · Post by **N 4 LIFE** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:07 pm

Examigan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:30 pm Besides the video on the website, it doesn't really jump out and say "v2 is here!". It does mention some new features though. Is there a list of what's been added instead (versus reading through all the text to pick through it) ?
https://www.roland.com/global/products/rc_zenology_pro/

I don't see a list of the 500 new sounds anywhere..anyone else know where to find them?

thenumber23 · Post by **thenumber23** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:10 pm

There's some new Banks on the left side, PRST_H Stellar Black through PRST_L Essential 2

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:59 pm

stupid question, is Zenology only a Subscription VST or also available as Lifetime Key?

WatchTheGuitar · Post by **WatchTheGuitar** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:09 pm

Caine123 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:59 pm stupid question, is Zenology only a Subscription VST or also available as Lifetime Key?

Lifetime key version is $229, but you don’t get any of the expansions like the Jupiter and SH-101 included and they cost $149 each. There was a bundle for Zenology plus all expansions, but not sure if it’s still available.

Examigan · Post by **Examigan** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:57 pm

Is it this one?
https://www.rolandcloud.com/ZENOLOGY-PRO-ICONS

It's $499 and has ZENOLOGY Pro, JX-8P, JUNO-106, JUPITER 8, and SH-101 Model Expansions.

PAK · Post by **PAK** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:11 pm

Yes, Zenology Pro Analog Icons. Still doesn't include the JD-800 though (which is an extra $149). The base sub also includes everything but those Zenology synth models. So you get the EXZ expansions and most of their Zenology preset content for $30/yr.

Since it'd take 15+ years, of base level membership, to pay for those lifetime keys, it's a rare scenario where their rental offering potentially makes more sense, provided they keep the base membership cost low.

So, if someone wants the most Zenology sounds and presets for the money, the best value path is currently to buy a Zenology Pro lifetime key and then purchase the base Cloud $30/yr Membership..

N 4 LIFE · Post by **N 4 LIFE** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:16 pm

thenumber23 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:10 pm There's some new Banks on the left side, PRST_H Stellar Black through PRST_L Essential 2

Thanks!

Septic Underground · Post by **Septic Underground** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:30 pm

PAK wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:11 pm Yes, Zenology Pro Analog Icons. Still doesn't include the JD-800 though (which is an extra $149). The base sub also includes everything but those Zenology synth models. So you get the EXZ expansions and most of their Zenology preset content for $30/yr.

Since it'd take 15+ years, of base level membership, to pay for those lifetime keys, it's a rare scenario where their rental offering potentially makes more sense, provided they keep the base membership cost low.

So, if someone wants the most Zenology sounds and presets for the money, the best value path is currently to buy a Zenology Pro lifetime key and then purchase the base Cloud $30/yr Membership..

No, buy a zenology lifetimekey. And a month of ultimate trial/sub.Then you download all the presets. And stop the month sub/trial. Backup the right directory on your harddisk and then you have them all, except for the analog icons stuff (which is not really great, the value is in the roland legacy presets)You won get anymore presets when the trial/sub is stopped.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:39 pm

Good tip on getting those banks.

I have a question. Excuse my ignorance, I am just trying out Zenology 2.

Is there a multi-out VST3 version? Say I load a drum kit and want to have at least 6 channels with separate outs into my DAW. Possible or not?

Septic Underground · Post by **Septic Underground** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:06 am

kmonkey wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:39 pm Good tip on getting those banks.

I have a question. Excuse my ignorance, I am just trying out Zenology 2.

Is there a multi-out VST3 version? Say I load a drum kit and want to have at least 6 channels with separate outs into my DAW. Possible or not?

Nope, bummer as I would love to submix the drumkits, Roland drumRom sounds are the best out there.

That is way I am so heavily advocating for a R8 V / TR8SV, with all those sounds inside. That would be the bomb.

Imagine a platform for synthsounds (zenology) and one for drums (call it drumology or whatever) Add a 1-64 steps 32 pattern 32 parts sequencer to it, call it sequentology or so

But I guess that would eat the sales of the HW, but I know I will get a TR8S just for controlling the plugin, just saying. (I sold my TR8S, still have a TR8 laying in the cupboard, I am 100% ITB now) And I still use my SYSTEM-8 for controlling all kinds of subtractive synths ( and rolands legendaries are mapped right away, no mapping needed)

The system-8 solely re-released as a MIDI controller (with aftertouch and better velocity response) would be an instant buy. But Roland doesnt seem to get the clues from the public. They are a bit stubborn in a lot of ways.

PAK · Post by **PAK** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:08 am

Septic Underground wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:30 pm the value is in the roland legacy presets)You won get anymore presets when the trial/sub is stopped.

The legacy presets are in the exz expansion banks (along with the samples). Those won't show in Zenology without a valid license. These licenses would take about 10+ years of rental to buy the lifetime keys. Yeah, you can take that attitude and scrimp on the other presets. But, so far, Roland have also added a couple of hundred presets per year for Zenology. $30, for that alone, is hardly the worst ever value, and is one way to make sure Roland continues to support the plugin..

Atlatnesiti · Post by **Atlatnesiti** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:48 am

Mogular wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:43 pm Looks like there is movement on this. Zenology Pro 2 has been released and this has VST3 silicon support. Just been playing it in the latest version of Komplete Kontrol which is only VST3 when not in rosetta mode. I saw a bunch of other instruments from the cloud momentarily in my Roland Cloud Manager but all except the JD800 have disappeared for now.
also Zenology FX are working in silicon now too.

Looks like there is the movement towards AS indeed.
Both Zenology Pro, FX and JD800 are finally available to use in Steinberg Cubase Pro 12 running in native mode

Sadly most are not

ChamomileShark · Post by **ChamomileShark** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:54 am

Odd that the reverb still isn't in Zenology FX?

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:17 am

Septic Underground wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:06 am But Roland doesn't seem to get the clues from the public. They are a bit stubborn in a lot of ways.

It literally took Propellerhead making ReBirth - emulating the Roland TB-303, 808, and 909, to make Roland realize there's money to be made on emulating their own hardware. They didn't even have a serious effort for the first part of the 2000's, and arguably all the way up to the release of their ACB emulations. So yeah - they definitely are "slow" to react to what the public consumer and pro musicians alike actually want!

#Still_Waiting_for_ACB_JX-8P

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:29 am

EnochLight wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:17 am #Still_Waiting_for_ACB_JX-8P

So am I

But the JD-800 was a repackaging of the Zen Core code with a new skin, so I guess that if we ever get a JX-8P, it will be done the same way.