Waves...smh

[mholloway]

I think of all the companies that have devalued their IP, GForce is perhaps the saddest. They could have chosen to improve their flagship product, but instead they gave a huge middle finger to their existing customer base and released a largely overlapping product with no consideration for the users who put them on the map. Meanwhile, the flagship product languishes with a GUI that looks like a 1990s website.

Huh? Are you talking about the additional Mellotron product? Dude...nobody really cares, they have SO many other excellent products at this point. M-Tron may have been their so-called "flagship" fifteen years ago, but they company isn't built around it anymore, it's just one among many. So some ultra boutique rare 'other' mellotron was released separately instead of as an add-on....might as well get pissed about the Streetly Tapes costing so much instead of being free for M-Tron Pro owners <shrug>.

GForce have been killing it lately. It's quite likely that nobody besides you is this 'saddened' by how they handled the Mellotron plugins.

[revvy]

It does take a special kind of person to slag off GForce in a Waves thread.

[MogwaiBoy]

The more I think about it, this could be a big marketing move to make everyone rant about Waves, and then they’ll "change their mind" to make it look like they truly listen to their customers, and generate more sales.

Interesting theory and an incredibly risky move if so. A huge part of brand equity is trust - and Waves have broken any trust that was there. But let's be honest, there was hardly any trust there to begin with after the entire WUP debacle - which, knowing what we know now, was just a precursor to full subscription-only model.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Waves made clusterbombs for the IDF. That's how much trust they have from me

[Hewitt Huntwork]

I think of all the companies that have devalued their IP, GForce is perhaps the saddest. They could have chosen to improve their flagship product, but instead they gave a huge middle finger to their existing customer base and released a largely overlapping product with no consideration for the users who put them on the map. Meanwhile, the flagship product languishes with a GUI that looks like a 1990s website.

Huh? Are you talking about the additional Mellotron product? Dude...nobody really cares,

GForce have been killing it lately. It's quite likely that nobody besides you is this 'saddened' by how they handled the Mellotron plugins.

Your memory is either short or you never listened to GForce customers when it came out.

[Hewitt Huntwork]

It does take a special kind of person to slag off GForce in a Waves thread.

Somebody IN THIS THREAD praised GForce's ability to not devalue their IP. I responded that I didn't agree that it wasn't devalued. 'Special kind of person.' At least read the thread before you try to demean someone.

[revvy]

Stop shouting. I read the posts, thanks.

GForce are fine. My point remains unchanged

[DrGonzo]

You guys are going to lock this thread as well?

[revvy]

Sorry, sir.

[Mathematics]

You guys are going to lock this thread as well?

I will not lock this thread...unless the mods do. I have read every post and the consensus is that people have a genuine feeling of betrayal. The best course of action has already been mentioned several times, which squares nicely with the response Microsoft gives about using OneDrive..."If you don't agree with these conditions, don't use our services."

[DrGonzo]

You guys are going to lock this thread as well?

I will not lock this thread...unless the mods do. I have read every post and the consensus is that people have a genuine feeling of betrayal. The best course of action has already been mentioned several times, which squares nicely with the response Microsoft gives about using OneDrive..."If you don't agree with these conditions, don't use our services."

Great thread lots of good input. I meant the sidelining of gforce-is-good-nah-gforce-is-bad. I think that was happened in the previous thread and it got locked up. don't want this to be locked up as well.

[revvy]

You guys are going to lock this thread as well?

I will not lock this thread...unless the mods do. I have read every post and the consensus is that people have a genuine feeling of betrayal. The best course of action has already been mentioned several times, which squares nicely with the response Microsoft gives about using OneDrive..."If you don't agree with these conditions, don't use our services."

Great thread lots of good input. I meant the sidelining of gforce-is-good-nah-gforce-is-bad. I think that was happened in the previous thread and it got locked up. don't want this to be locked up as well.

You know nothing about the other thread’s locking so should probably let it lie.

And if you think the most problematic post on this page is a bit of back and forth about GForce you are very weird.

[Mathematics]

I read that too. Unless we all give it attention, I don't see it taking precedence over the current and dominant conversation.

[jamcat]

I own and use plenty of Neve plugins at this point.

To me it's not "what is the best" or "what has the edge" (what does that even mean in this case?!).

In the case of the Lindell Audio 80 Series, it means that while a single instance is sonically indistinguishable from the UAD 1073, multiple instances together have more separation due to the cumulative affect of TMT. It also means that you get more value for a lot less money because it also adds a modeled 1084, a noise gate, and a compressor taken from the 2254. Plus it includes a second plugin for the buss of just the 1212 Line amp (though it nulls with the channel preamp at the same gain when the EQ, comp, and gate are switched off.)

You can't compared analog devices with each other anyway, since no analog device with up to 15% tolerances in terms of certain spare parts (condensers/resistors) do result in a "unique sound". This is why there were endless debates in the mid/late 2000s as to "who had the best emulation".

That’s always been a hedge popularized by developers because their models were inaccurate and inadequate. It may hold some truth on antique museum pieces like a Fairchild, but something like a Neve 1073 is going to have a standard sound that a developer either nails or doesn’t. Differences from channel to channel are not so great as to render comparisons moot.

The UAD and Lindell Audio 1073s sound extremely similar to each other. One of the main qualities that sets them apart from others is they both sound very clear, wide, and open. Like the real thing. Other 1073 models don’t capture that at all, and sound more congested, more distorted, and less detailed.

You can't compare the Studer A80 with the A800 either. Not only are they different revisions, therefore different recording/playback heads, different tape speed, "headbump" and calibration modules were different. The A80 can be considered the "older yet smaller" brother (with 15ips/30ips), while the A800 was the "mere weeks younger, but tape colossus" (with 7,5ips/15ips/30ips).

The actual sonic differences seem pretty minimal, actually. They have the same character. Both the A80 and A800 have the Studer sound. While using the hardware may be different experiences due to tangible physical differences, I don’t think the results on tape are so great that you could tell them apart with any certainty. That’s certainly the case for the plugins.

[Chevron]

Have you seen the online petition, currently at 800 signatures asking for Waves to reinstate WUP?

https://www.change.org/p/waves-goodbye

[Samiver]

Maybe they are just trying to show guaranteed income, through subscriptions, in order to be bought by another interest/company? Prove the company is worth X because we're getting Y income every month.

Probably not but it would at least make sense to why they'd take such a drastic action and not offer single license purchases or WUP alongside the Sub, even for grandfathered accounts/plugins.

You are probably right about the guaranteed income but I am personally surprised no one foresaw that seemingly dumping all over your customer base and forcing people onto a sub to keep their products updated is not going to go down well.

I hope it goes badly for them so others do not consider this route.