Waves...smh

[ghettosynth]

You just download the offline installer from whatever version you have from Waves, as covered on their website.

https://www.waves.com/support/how-to-in ... y-versions

Yes, from their website:

Step #1 Activate your Licenses

Download and install Waves Central for Mac | Windows
If you already have Waves Central installed, skip to the next step.

Your licenses should all show up in Waves Central as long as you registered them (which you only need to do if you got them from a reseller). That ship has sailed, so if you didn't do that, I dunno what to do.

But it sounds like you were using them previously, in which case they are in your account and show up in Waves Central. You just can't install the older versions and you need to use the offline installer as described under Step 2.

If those activations are on another machine, you'll need to reset them. There is no need for WUP to install old licenses. I have never Wuped and have moved PCs multiple times.

No, they were in Waves Central, it was just user error. I was looking in the wrong place to activate them. They're activated now, so, problem solved with no WUP required.

[jens]

Dunno what that is supposed to mean... there were always those of us who said WUP is no big deal at all and then there were the loud and nasty (and quite unreasonable if you ask me) WUP-haters who showed up in every Waves thread to bore the hell out of every one else with their lame anti-WUP tirade.

In all fairness, we should differentiate, that there are users that don't have problems with frequently paid upgrades.

With Waves Audio, with a couple of caveats however...


For starters -- whether or not the plugins in questions actually got some suitable upgrades, not just "maintenance patches" (which are mandatory for both Win/Mac, since both DAWs and OS updates can break things). Locking bugfixes behind a paywall is never a good move.

Again: this is completely hypothetical. So far there has not been any update (be it hardware or software) for Windows users to break things.

And whoever is actually a Waves customer and on Windows should be well aware of this.

So why all this very sad whining&bitching?

And then there is the highly decisive topic, of whether or not the upgrade fees are actually fair, and not just willy-nilly calculated based upon a super high set MSRP (some which feel really made up), rather than the actual constant sale price they had up until recently.

Oh, are they, yes? So how much is it then per plugin? Please check your Waves account and report back!

The cap at 250USD a couple of years ago was a good start.

It's 240$ as any actual Waves customer should well know.

But there was, and still is, valid criticism to overhaul this mechanic completely. Especially towards those that only have a handful of tools, compared to those that have huge bundles.

There is a quite difference between voicing ctiticism and sad, lame bitching&whining at every possible and impossibel ocassion.

Personally, I'm not okay with (people) suddenly "caving" to the "return of the old ways".
But in the end... everyone decides for themselves what to do, and what/whom to support.

Again: many of us actual Waves customers never had any problem with WUP at all - and I certainly don't plan to change that now.

[jens]

No, they were in Waves Central, it was just user error. I was looking in the wrong place to activate them. They're activated now, so, problem solved with no WUP required.

Glad you got that sorted.

[ghettosynth]

No, they were in Waves Central, it was just user error. I was looking in the wrong place to activate them. They're activated now, so, problem solved with no WUP required.

Glad you got that sorted.

Yeah, I can now lock Waves in time as suggested by the video either here or in the other thread. I'm not completely opposed to WUP in concept, but I do think that Waves wants too much money and that they artificially makes things difficult. In this case it was my fault. That said, I still hate Waves installs/shells.

[kidslow]

It seems to me that every Mac OS update comes with tons of issues for anyone that uses third party software. Waves or otherwise...

Have you personally experienced this or is it just the whinging on message boards that gives you this impression?

Some of that, but mainly from friends who are mac users in areas of both music and design.

Seems quite often OS upgrades may need a new machine, or at least a new version of software being used. The software being used quite often seems to need a paid update to use the new OS.

I don't agree that's universal, but yes it does happen.

I've been using MacOS from version 9, Windows from 3.1, and Linux from prior to 1.0. There is a general rule that OS upgrades are painful, no matter the OS. Sometimes you get lucky and they are not. That is the exception. Same for machine upgrades. Mac users for some reason believe they are entitled to an upgrade without pain. That's why their whinging is so loud after they upgrade and encounter problems.

Without getting too BONESy, I will say that Mac users are the cause of much of their own pain. Yes I am going to blame the victim. Those who want to be on the bleeding edge and install the newest version of MacOS as soon as it comes out are the cause of their own suffering. That's just not something I do. I stay versions behind, happily so, and allow those intrepid complainers figure out all the problems for me. That's how I avoid a lot of these gotchas. A Mac running 5 year old OS is more secure than a Windows system running the latest, especially on a non-portable device that doesn't connect to random networks.

However sometimes a hardware failure puts one in a position where they need to jump forward to the latest and end up getting WUPped. It has happened to me. Go back to the general rule I stated earlier: OS upgrades are painful, no matter the OS.

[imrae]

USB ports are precious on laptops, iMacs etc.

Yeah, 'cause it's not like you can buy a hub in a cornerstore for a tenner or a half...

You can't be serious. It's not the cost, it's the space, mess and extra time vs opening/closing a laptop.

[jens]

Dead serious, I assure you.

[Ah_Dziz]

I have a small foam lined wooden box that I had a friend make me so that all my USB dongles and drives can live safely at the other end of a single cable. I highly recommend this solution. My laptops are more fragile than my USB junk. As a bonus it matches my studio desk perfectly! Also if you're constantly moving around you can leave your hub in your laptop bag with the added bonus that you'll never leave it behind by accident. That was my old system...

[jezjez]

[OS upgrades are painful, no matter the OS.

I guess you could say Mac users have 7 times the pain then since major OS updates come out every year whereas Windows 10 lasted 7

[kidslow]

[OS upgrades are painful, no matter the OS.

I guess you could say Mac users have 7 times the pain then since major OS updates come out every year whereas Windows 10 lasted 7

I'm surprised to see you're right. It has been every year. Will concede that point.

However, back at you. I've not yet had a reason to run antivirus software on a Mac, so Windows users get that type of pain all to themselves.

[jamcat]

By that logic, Mac OS X lasted 20 years.

Windows 10 had seasonal updates that were essentially new OSes.

[noiseboyuk]

By that logic, Mac OS X lasted 20 years.

Windows 10 had seasonal updates that were essentially new OSes.

Yes, very funny. And the one single MacOS has been going a decade, right?

What a silly pointless argument. Apple update their OS every year. Waves keep 3 versions compatible = 3 years. Outside that, it tends to not work. Windows updates seemingly every 7-10 years, and Waves keeps 2 versions compatible. Ergo Mac users tend to need to update the WUP more frequently than Windows ones.

I have both Mac and Windows computers. I’m not a fan trying to make a silly point, these are just facts as we used to call them. I still have v9 plugins that I use alongside v14 on my Windows rig, and it’s all seamless. I can only use more recent plugs on the Mac.

[jens]

By that logic, Mac OS X lasted 20 years.

Windows 10 had seasonal updates that were essentially new OSes.

Yes, very funny. And the one single MacOS has been going a decade, right?

What a silly pointless argument. Apple update their OS every year. Waves keep 3 versions compatible = 3 years. Outside that, it tends to not work. Windows updates seemingly every 7-10 years, and Waves keeps 2 versions compatible. Ergo Mac users tend to need to update the WUP more frequently than Windows ones.

I have both Mac and Windows computers. I’m not a fan trying to make a silly point, these are just facts as we used to call them. I still have v9 plugins that I use alongside v14 on my Windows rig, and it’s all seamless. I can only use more recent plugs on the Mac.

V9 certainly runs flawlessly on WIndows 11. V10 was released in 2018, while Windows 11 was released in 2021 (and Windows 10 in 2015 i.e. it was already around when V9 was the current shell.

And yes, it really is an über-silly argument in its entirety. It simply never happened that software stopped running after a Win10 update.
But actually I can't think of a case where software stopped running after a full Windows OS update.
I probably could still run most software that had its last release when XP was current.

And that is the point. As I mentioned recently in one of these Waves threads, backwards compatability was baked into NT right from the start at its core level. That was one of its primary design goals.

And interestingly enough David N. Cuttler, NT's lead architect, is known for being quite critical of Unix (OSX is a Unix-based OS) and was confident to be able to create a better and more modern OS.
And by the look of it he succeeded.
Plus it certainly did no harm to OS that Richard Rachid, the lead developer of the Mach Kernel which Nextstep (and subsequently OSX/IOS) was based on, went on to work for Microsoft in 1991.