Bitwig

mazecrawler · Post by **mazecrawler** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 6:22 am

New browser is cluttered and not user friendly at all. My old collections are there - but they're all empty. There is no (obvious) way to add new items to them. New "smart" collections are actually filters.
How to create list/collection/folder/whatever with e.g. "only 10 VSTis out of 110 installed"?

perpetual3 · Post by **perpetual3** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 6:29 am

Yeah, I had no issues with the previous browser myself.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 6:44 am

mazecrawler wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 6:22 am New browser is cluttered and not user friendly at all. My old collections are there - but they're all empty. There is no (obvious) way to add new items to them. New "smart" collections are actually filters.
How to create list/collection/folder/whatever with e.g. "only 10 VSTis out of 110 installed"?

It's buggy... it is only showing Bitwig devices in collections right now, not plugins. Don't worry, it's just the first day of the beta period.

JHernandez · Post by **JHernandez** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:05 am

After watching more of Polarity's vid and thinking on it some more I've come to the conclusion that this update is a pretty big deal. I'm still going to wait, but I def will be using this stuff everywhere all the time in mostly subtle and sneaky ways. Pretty excited about it actually.

krazzmann · Post by **krazzmann** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:22 am

poonna wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 4:12 am
apoclypse wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 2:49 am I'm not a tinkerer nor do I make experimental stuff. Is it too much to ask to get audio quantization and groove templates at least? I'm sure this update is exciting to some but frankly it's been almost a year between updates (4.3 came out in June of 2022) and this doesn't feel like a years worth of updates to me.
They improved onset detector in this version. It's directly related to audio quantization. So it might come soon, I hope.

The change to the modulation system affects the whole application, so I think, while it might not seem big to the user, it's really a big internal change to the developer. This kind of changes usually requires a lot of time to refactor and test. It warrants the long downtime it's taken for them to develop, IMO.

This is so true. I used to be a developer and I‘m also sure that this was a huge effort. Moreover, they seized the moment that they touch the modulation system and added every feature or improvement that people wanted or missed. This alone judges a major release version. I‘m totally excited about this release. Well done, Bitwig.

Artie Fichelle · Post by **Artie Fichelle** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:27 am

Seems like bitwig is a sound machine now, wonder if it helps me making better music in shorter time.

dveble · Post by **dveble** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:39 am

I read that mixer is updated (beauthified?).
Are the mixer faders still micro small like before?
Or is there a way now to make them longer?

WasteLand · Post by **WasteLand** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:03 am

o why not, also a reaction from me...
it seems only to be curves, but indeed, on more levels, even global.
if you know your modular.... you know what this can give... it is quite powerfull, or very very powerfull.

BriocheBaps · Post by **BriocheBaps** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:32 am

My own take? Every purchase, especially DAWs, are a balance of pros and cons where you decide what compromise(s) you can tolerate. I for one would be extremely happy if Bitwig implemented a tracker interface instead of a piano roll, but had to accept leaving my preferred input behind when shopping for a replacement for the compromises I could no longer tolerate in Renoise. Can’t wait for 5 to be an official release.

PieBerger · Post by **PieBerger** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:33 am

BriocheBaps wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:32 am My own take? Every purchase, especially DAWs, are a balance of pros and cons where you decide what you compromise you can tolerate. I for one would be extremely happy if Bitwig implemented a tracker interface instead of a piano roll, but had to accept leaving my preferred input behind when shopping for a replacement for the compromises I could no longer tolerate in Renoise. Can’t wait for 5 to be an official release.

GTFO with those pragmatic views

WasteLand · Post by **WasteLand** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:51 am

BriocheBaps wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:32 am My own take? Every purchase, especially DAWs, are a balance of pros and cons where you decide what compromise(s) you can tolerate. I for one would be extremely happy if Bitwig implemented a tracker interface instead of a piano roll, but had to accept leaving my preferred input behind when shopping for a replacement for the compromises I could no longer tolerate in Renoise. Can’t wait for 5 to be an official release.

this is most objective statement. and that is why i also use and own several DAWs....

Nemirov · Post by **Nemirov** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:59 am

Can we modulate MSEG's points and curvature somehow?

Echoes in the Attic · Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:36 am

Seems like a cool update. Especially excited about the track and project level modulators. But I'm wondering if this gets us any closer to global snapshots. There still doesn't seem to be a way to make a bunch of tweaks and instantly recall a bunch of parameter values, like you can with Maschine, or with ClyphX in Live (or capture). To me this is the biggest thing missing.

Glad that people got msegs who wanted that. I've never cared that much as I'd prefer clip automation to have all the fancy curves. This is where I'd do that type of modulation. Usually would not want complex modulation tied to every note, I'd rather it per clip as it's easier to see on top of the midi or audio and can easily be different for each clip. But to each their own.

Alt lip triggers is smart.

And yeah midi comping please.

By the way, doesn't a big update like this totally go against their incremental improvement approach that was the point of the yearly update plan? I thought they wanted to release features as they made them, not wait for big updates with lots of new features?

PieBerger · Post by **PieBerger** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:30 am

Echoes in the Attic wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:36 am By the way, doesn't a big update like this totally go against their incremental improvement approach that was the point of the yearly update plan? I thought they wanted to release features as they made them, not wait for big updates with lots of new features?

Could be a couple of things, first up they may have seen a change in customers' purchasing habits i.e. fewer people update annually and more waiting for bigger changes before opening their wallets. Secondly, what might have started as "we'll just add a little of this here and a little of that there", evolved into the need to completely overhaul the DAW, to accommodate new features and make life easier for future development etc.

We'll likely never know since Bitwig has shown time and time again that they keep their cards close to their chest at all times!

foosnark · Post by **foosnark** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:57 am

j wazza wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:52 pm
catzilla wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:25 pm Am I the only one who is dissapointed that curve points can't be modulated?
Come on, the standart envelopes can be modulated, but not MSEG?

Besides that, I'm happy. The modulation system is now complete, the browser got even better, project/track level modualators/remotes make Bitwig a perfect DAW for live.
yeah this would be great, and the same for modulating curves on the wavetable osc like avenger, or the curves on the waveshaper

It's not 100% equivalent, but you could create two or more MSEGs in the Grid and crossfade between them with Merge... then use that as a modulator anywhere.

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