Bitwig 5 is up

[j wazza]

Can we modulate MSEG's points and curvature somehow?

not with modulators, but I'd guess that you could use automation lanes or move them manually while recording the automation

It's not 100% equivalent, but you could create two or more MSEGs in the Grid and crossfade between them with Merge... then use that as a modulator anywhere.

good shout, and maybe you could use phase distortion in the grid to modulate the mseg curves too

[pdxindy]

After watching more of Polarity's vid and thinking on it some more I've come to the conclusion that this update is a pretty big deal. I'm still going to wait, but I def will be using this stuff everywhere all the time in mostly subtle and sneaky ways. Pretty excited about it actually.

If I had to decide whether I wanted to pay for an upgrade to get v5, one tiny little feature would already decide it for me. Now being able to adjust a parameter value while the modulator is active (instead of repeatedly having to turn the modulator on and off to do so) is such a pleasing workflow enhancement for me that I would buy an upgrade just for that!

But besides that, I agree, this is a big update with lots of improvements that I'll be using all the time.

[pdxindy]

Can we modulate MSEG's points and curvature somehow?

No

unless you want to create your own wavetables that do that.

[Scoox]

Yeah, I had no issues with the previous browser myself.

I don't know if this has improved in v5 as I don't have access to the beta, but in the previous browser the search could be better. For example, if you typed "verb", it would not find items containing "verb" in the middle of the word, such as "reverb". I emailed Bitwig to suggest this improvement, I doubt it has been implemented though. Maybe someone with access to the v5 beta can confirm?

[_leras]

Project level modulation etc alone is gigantic.
I think this is a fantastic update - everything the doctor ordered

Coooooooool

Cheers,

Tom

Yes, I think this is possibly my favorite thing added. So many cool things this will allow for mixing etc.

The MSEG stuff looks like ti will be really fun. Seems they took everyones top request and went hard on it.

[pdxindy]

Am I the only one who is dissapointed that curve points can't be modulated?
Come on, the standart envelopes can be modulated, but not MSEG?

Besides that, I'm happy. The modulation system is now complete, the browser got even better, project/track level modualators/remotes make Bitwig a perfect DAW for live.

yeah this would be great, and the same for modulating curves on the wavetable osc like avenger, or the curves on the waveshaper

It's not 100% equivalent, but you could create two or more MSEGs in the Grid and crossfade between them with Merge... then use that as a modulator anywhere.

You can also use wavetables as an LFO so scanning through the wavetable morphs the shape.

[wilkins_micawber]

Can we modulate MSEG's points and curvature somehow?

No

unless you want to create your own wavetables that do that.

Just copy and paste the MSEG modulation. Turn the amount down to 0. Create a macro knob and have it turn down the first MSEG amount, turn up the second MSEG amount. With the knob you can now transition between the first MSEG and the second. The second MSEG can vary by more than just a single point, so I think in some ways this is preferable to modulating a single point.

[pdxindy]

Yeah, I had no issues with the previous browser myself.

I don't know if this has improved in v5 as I don't have access to the beta, but in the previous browser the search could be better. For example, if you typed "verb", it would not find items containing "verb" in the middle of the word, such as "reverb". I emailed Bitwig to suggest this improvement, I doubt it has been implemented though. Maybe someone with access to the v5 beta can confirm?

The search is the same as before... I'm going to email your suggestion/point as now is the time to get such changes in the new browser during the beta period.

[_leras]

I find it a little silly they do all these new mseg and curves updates but no updates to how to draw automation, when it is one of the weakest parts of Bitwig. Would have been nice to get some more QOL updates too like maybe scale highlighting in piano roll or proper auto save or something like that.

It's because you barely need to touch automation or the piano roll if you know what you're doing with Bitwig devices, modulators, and operators. This is what makes Bitwig unique. There are plenty of other solutions out there if you prefer to do things the old-fashioned way.

This is not really true. There's tons of stuff where track level automation is the better option.

It's definitely not 'the old fashioned' way'. It's more like a standard basic requirement for mixing.

And Bitwig does need to improve this...

[Scoox]

Am I the only one who is dissapointed that curve points can't be modulated?
Come on, the standart envelopes can be modulated, but not MSEG?

Do you mean using modulators to move the individual curve points, or applying a gain and an offset to the whole curve? If it's the later, then yeah, I'd be disappointed.

[Ou_Tis]

Wonder if they're stalling on midi comping because they think clip launcher is an adequate workaround. It's not, especially for MPE. When I tried it I found it very buggy, though I guess I should try it again in 4.4.10.

Even if I went to the trouble of doing it in Cubase instead, there's no way to export the MPE note expressions from Cubase to Bitwig. IDK about FL Studio---haven't used it in ages but it does have midi comping, and Bitwig can import FL Studio project files. But it's not clear from the documentation whether that includes MPE note expression data:

https://www.bitwig.com/support/technica ... ts-flp-41/

"What's Imported
Channels (FL) are converted to Tracks (BW). Supported channel types are audio, VST2/VST3 instrument channels, and sampler channels. Native instrument channels are imported as empty instrument tracks.
The first Playlist (FL) is imported as the arrangement, with its patterns & audio events converted into Arranger clips.
Patterns (FL) are imported as Bitwig scenes, with a clip created for each used channel.
Insert mixer tracks (FL) are converted to tracks, or group tracks (if multiple Channels were routed to it).
Not Imported
Any automation (clips or events)"

Guess it probably wouldn't work, since the section on importing Ableton projects specifically says:

"What's Imported

MIDI clip features (such as MPE, note chance, and velocity spread) and audio clip features (like pitch/volume modulation and warping) will be imported as closely as possible."

https://www.bitwig.com/support/technica ... ts-als-40/

I have some old free Ableton Lite licenses somewhere but I think they're for versions from before Ableton added MPE support. Ableton "Intro" does have MPE and midi comping, so I guess that would be sufficient if I bounced the rest of the track?... If the note expression conversion is good....

So I guess bouncing and looping the section is still the best workaround. Groan....

[Greenstorm33]

Is there no way to have collections immediately available when the popup browser opens any more? I use them to organize my plugins and it seems like the only way to get there now is to click the icon in the upper left and then click the collections tab. Also third party plugins are not showing in collections for me which is definitely a bug.

[billcarroll]

Yeah, I had no issues with the previous browser myself.

I don't know if this has improved in v5 as I don't have access to the beta, but in the previous browser the search could be better. For example, if you typed "verb", it would not find items containing "verb" in the middle of the word, such as "reverb". I emailed Bitwig to suggest this improvement, I doubt it has been implemented though. Maybe someone with access to the v5 beta can confirm?

The search is the same as before... I'm going to email your suggestion/point as now is the time to get such changes in the new browser during the beta period.

If you search for "verb" in Bitwig 5 it will return results with "verb" in the name, like ValhallVintageVerb, realverb, kickverb, granularverb, etc.

[billcarroll]

Is there no way to have collections immediately available when the popup browser opens any more? I use them to organize my plugins and it seems like the only way to get there now is to click the icon in the upper left and then click the collections tab. Also third party plugins are not showing in collections for me which is definitely a bug.

You can right click on individual collections and select "Add to Quick Sources" to add them to the list of icons on the left side on the popup browser or side browser for quick access

I am also not seeing 3rd party plugins show up when selecting a collection I have created that includes 3rd party plugins.

[pdxindy]

Is there no way to have collections immediately available when the popup browser opens any more? I use them to organize my plugins and it seems like the only way to get there now is to click the icon in the upper left and then click the collections tab. Also third party plugins are not showing in collections for me which is definitely a bug.

Yes, you can put your collections in the quick sidebar. Right click on the collection to find the option.

And yes, the browser is going to need the next weeks of the beta process to refine it.