Bitwig 5 is up

[Fannon]

MIDI capture/retrospective record are 100% my #1 wishes. Everything else is secondary.

I saw this recommended by someone on YouTube:

Rewind V2 by https://www.monkeyc.audio/

It has input detection and can record a 30 minute buffer of Midi & audio.

I just wanted to say - if this retrospective MIDI recording feature is so important to many people, why hasn't anyone implemented this independendly of the DAW? But looks like there it is.

I have created a Web MIDI based web app a few days ago and with the technologies available there it would only be ~1 day of work to get a tool that does retrospective recording in the background, maybe also cutting it into slices after a certain period of inactivity and creating a log of MIDI files you can drag and drop into your DAW. But having it within the DAW as a VST plugin is nice (and it can do Audio, too!).

[Fannon]

Ok, challenge taken. I've added background MIDI recording to my LinnStrument Light Guide app.

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This is currently strongly opinionated toward beeing used with a LinnStrument but maybe it also works without one. Just configure your MIDI controller as Input and Output and if you need it, some MIDI loop device as MIDI thru in the app. Maybe it works? If not, I could consider making it a bit more general purpose if it's not too much effort.

[elnn]

The other elephant, I don’t know if it’s in their radar but IMO it fits in with their paradigm, it would be great to have free audio and midi tempos change the conductor or main Bitwig tempo. So music recorded without a click track is possible with the benefits of bars, beats etc.

+100. The lack of this feature closes the DAW entirely to such a large field of possibility. This is very important for people who look at music composition and performance from a more traditional perspective, where the metronome is a practice tool, not a conductor.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Technically I want snapshots now.

And morphing!

I think we might be the only two people who are interested in this. I don't think they are ready for it, but their kids will love it!

In the meanwhile, we still have the Freestyle workaround, right?

Oh back to the future reference!

You mean the workaround I posted way back? Using its snapshots to send midi cc?. Yeah it's OK for devices, but not global. And didn't affect sends and track levels. I am wondering if now that there are track and project level modulators if there would be a way to use freestyle at the project level for that (master track maybe?). Don't have the demo as plan isn't active.

[BobDog]

Technically I want snapshots now.

And morphing!

I think we might be the only two people who are interested in this. I don't think they are ready for it, but their kids will love it!

In the meanwhile, we still have the Freestyle workaround, right?

Oh back to the future reference!

You mean the workaround I posted way back? Using its snapshots to send midi cc?. Yeah it's OK for devices, but not global. And didn't affect sends and track levels. I am wondering if now that there are track and project level modulators if there would be a way to use freestyle at the project level for that (master track maybe?). Don't have the demo as plan isn't active.

What exactly are you after with "SnapShots" in BW? Maybe I can see if it is possible (if I understood!)

[Bobby L'Avenir]

That doesn't make it not true.

Sure I’ll buy that for a dollar

Anyway, there are several good things about this release. I think it's particularly great that Bitwig added a usability improvement (browser revision), and made some significant enhancements with the clip launcher for those who like to jam with Bitwig and/or perform live. Now that MSEG has been added with some nice modulation bonuses, perhaps Bitwig can focus on Midi capture and comping, improving the sampler, and piano roll improvements.

MIDI capture/retrospective record are 100% my #1 wishes. Everything else is secondary.

Improvements to the piano roll are always welcome.

They did MSEGs in an insanely creative way and improved the performance features. MSEG was the #1 request, so I’m pretty certain MIDI capture at least happens, I hope they also do retrospective record for audio as well. I really like that feature in DP.

The other elephant, I don’t know if it’s in their radar but IMO it fits in with their paradigm, it would be great to have free audio and midi tempos change the conductor or main Bitwig tempo. So music recorded without a click track is possible with the benefits of bars, beats etc.

Midi capture/retrospective record is essential, i'd happily skip all the latest stuff in favour of this, waaaaaay to many ideas get lost because this isn't available

[perpetual3]

I just bought the rewind plugin for 30 mins of retrospective midi and audio recording. Price goes up next week.

[wvshpr]

What exactly are you after with "SnapShots" in BW? Maybe I can see if it is possible (if I understood!)

I can't speak for Echoes in the Attic, but snapshots are essentially quick access to and storing of presets. Instead of going through a save dialog you should be able to save new presets and their variations, ideally, by pressing a button on a controller or key combo. It's one less mouse/screen interaction.

New Sonic Arts Freestyle is a good example of how snapshots can work and how much faster it is than a browser.

Morphing enables you to interpolate between these different presets and explore the "in-between" states. Ideally, these in-between states should also be savable. It's also cool for transitions and, if used globally, for completely transforming/deforming a song.

Alchemy, Kore, the Octatrack and the new Nina synth are examples of how morphing can be a great sound design, serendipity and arrangement tool. See from 8:30 in this video:

[BobDog]

Right got you.

I'm pretty sure there is nothing in V5 that is going to help with morphing between full device/plugin presets, maybe possible with changing presets though, I will have a look...

Edit: I can't see anyway of mapping remote controls to loading particular presets.

[SLiC]

Midi capture/retrospective record is essential, i'd happily skip all the latest stuff in favour of this, waaaaaay to many ideas get lost because this isn't available

https://www.monkeyc.audio/

Problem Solved!

[billcarroll]

I just bought the rewind plugin for 30 mins of retrospective midi and audio recording. Price goes up next week.

Same, you also get another 10% off for signing up for the newsletter. Monkey Rewind v2 is pretty inexpensive for what it does.

[Ou_Tis]

Midi capture/retrospective record is essential, i'd happily skip all the latest stuff in favour of this, waaaaaay to many ideas get lost because this isn't available

https://www.monkeyc.audio/

Problem Solved!

Would any of these third party midi capture tools work for MPE note expressions in Bitwig? It's certainly possible to record the MPE input, and then it shouldn't be too difficult to import the curves for the relevant Bitwig parameters, though doing it automatically for every DAW might be problematic? "Find on page" for MPE turned up nothing on their site though....

[perpetual3]

Seemed like a no brainer to me.

I just bought the rewind plugin for 30 mins of retrospective midi and audio recording. Price goes up next week.

Same, you also get another 10% off for signing up for the newsletter. Monkey Rewind v2 is pretty inexpensive for what it does.

[billcarroll]

Seemed like a no brainer to me.

I just bought the rewind plugin for 30 mins of retrospective midi and audio recording. Price goes up next week.

Same, you also get another 10% off for signing up for the newsletter. Monkey Rewind v2 is pretty inexpensive for what it does.

Monkey Rewind v2 seems to be limited to 16 bit recording, which is a shame. The midi capture is fantastic.

https://www.monkeyc.audio/

Rolling Sampler seems to be a better choice for retrospective audio and can save at 32 and 24 bit.

https://www.birdsthings.com/

[perpetual3]

Hmmm. I’ll ask the rewind developer if he can add a 24bit mode. I did but Rewind particularly for the midi recording, but Rolling Sampler looks good too.

Seemed like a no brainer to me.

I just bought the rewind plugin for 30 mins of retrospective midi and audio recording. Price goes up next week.

Same, you also get another 10% off for signing up for the newsletter. Monkey Rewind v2 is pretty inexpensive for what it does.

Monkey Rewind v2 seems to be limited to 16 bit recording, which is a shame. The midi capture is fantastic.

https://www.monkeyc.audio/

Rolling Sampler seems to be a better choice for retrospective audio and can save at 24 bit.

https://www.birdsthings.com/