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MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:46 pm

robert_p wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:11 pm Thank you, that fixed the issue!

Thank you for reporting it!

Also, there is no more errors logged on my system on plugin shutdown (there were some in 9.2.8.)

The errors were related to that same bug. (a false threading mismatch)

syntonica · Post by **syntonica** » Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:24 pm

Jo, on Mac, did you drop Carbon graphics support between v7 and v8? One of my only occasionally-used plugins (Enzyme) doesn't show its GUI on v8 or v9 and I never noticed until now. Unfortunately, they closed up shop and there won't be an update.

On v9.2.9, Intel, I rescanned all my VSTs and had 3 freezes, including Tassman 64, which I completely forgot was actually still 32-bit in 64-bit disguise. AAS wrote their own 32bit->64 bit wrapper rather than updating the plugin. Maybe a timeout would work on unresponsive VSTs?

Also, the log only prints upon completion of each plugin scanned, so if one gets stuck, there's no easy way to tell which VST is causing the trouble. Can the log be made to display each line in real-time rather than buffering them?

I'll probably get to ARM and CLAP later today to see how they are behaving. Thanks!

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:27 pm

syntonica wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:24 pm Jo, on Mac, did you drop Carbon graphics support?

Yes, no more Carbon as it has been dropped by Apple, several years ago already.

On v9.2.9, Intel, I rescanned all my VSTs

How many VSTs are that?

Also, the log only prints upon completion of each plugin scanned, so if one gets stuck, there's no easy way to tell which VST is causing the trouble.

The log file is effectively updated after each succesful scan, so if there is a freeze or crash during scanning yoiu could check the MuLab/User/Settings/VstPluginScanLog.txt and that should reveal the bad one.

syntonica · Post by **syntonica** » Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:31 am

mutools wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:27 pm
syntonica wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:24 pm Jo, on Mac, did you drop Carbon graphics support?
Yes, no more Carbon as it has been dropped by Apple, several years ago already.

No worries, I just wanted to be sure it wasn't something else. The VST shows in Reaper, but it struggles. I guess it's time to say goodbye...

On v9.2.9, Intel, I rescanned all my VSTs
How many VSTs are that?

150+

Also, the log only prints upon completion of each plugin scanned, so if one gets stuck, there's no easy way to tell which VST is causing the trouble.
The log file is effectively updated after each succesful scan, so if there is a freeze or crash during scanning yoiu could check the MuLab/User/Settings/VstPluginScanLog.txt and that should reveal the bad one.

Thanks! I didn't know that was there.

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:11 am

syntonica wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:24 pmJo, on Mac, did you drop Carbon graphics support between v7 and v8?.. On v9.2.9, Intel, I rescanned all my VSTs and had 3 freezes, including Tassman 64

FYI, Mulab 8.33 is the last version to support the earlier Mac graphics. Tassman opens in Mulab 9.2.9 Intel if you are still on Mojave.

syntonica · Post by **syntonica** » Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:34 pm

Michael L wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:11 am
syntonica wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:24 pmJo, on Mac, did you drop Carbon graphics support between v7 and v8?.. On v9.2.9, Intel, I rescanned all my VSTs and had 3 freezes, including Tassman 64
FYI, Mulab 8.33 is the last version to support the earlier Mac graphics. Tassman opens in Mulab 9.2.9 Intel if you are still on Mojave.

Yeah, I just upgraded my old Mojave machine, thinking I wouldn't lose anything, but I forgot about Tassman. Not a real big deal as I have all the other AAS stuff. I have an even older machine with Snow Leopard/Mavericks/High Sierra all installed on it when I can install all my older plugins and still play with them.

Thanks for tip about v8. I'll see if I have an older installer lurking on my backup drive. V8 would be nicer to use just for the darker graphics than v7 for my poor eyes.

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:48 pm

syntonica wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:34 pm I'll see if I have an older installer lurking.

download MuLab legacy versions at the bottom of this page:
https://www.mutools.com/mulab-app-downloads.html

syntonica · Post by **syntonica** » Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:54 pm

Michael L wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:48 pm
syntonica wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:34 pm I'll see if I have an older installer lurking.
download MuLab legacy versions at the bottom of this page:
https://www.mutools.com/mulab-app-downloads.html

Thanks, but Jo only has the last version in each posted.

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:00 pm

syntonica wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:54 pmThanks, but Jo only has the last version in each posted.

Oh, I did not check. There used to be more versions. Well, 8.33 is an important one for Mac.

Jonathan Shepherd · Post by **Jonathan Shepherd** » Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:06 pm

mutools wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:20 pm What's new:

Dropping a parameter on an empty sub-track header now also auto creates an empty automation clip for that parameter. (alike dropping a parameter on the [+] track button)

Beautiful! One of those things that I'd consider mentioning from time to time but I'd then think "nah, it's no deal breaker". But this is a nice cherry on top of the whole package. Thank you---

syntonica · Post by **syntonica** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:32 am

Hi Jo, I tried CLAP. Two things:

1. As you can see in the screen shot, the Preset dropdown is missing. Don't CLAP plugins publish preset names like VST2 does? Or, is that an extension?

2. The second file is an error log from a crash on exit. Mac OS 11.7.8 Intel, Mulab 9.2.9. I had the plugin window still open. (FullBucket.de Fury800 CLAP). It doesn't seem to happen if the GUI for it is closed. I can forward this one on if it's not you, but them.

syntonica · Post by **syntonica** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:47 am

Same setup, but this time with the Diva preview version. GUI opens and closes fine, but if I try to play a note, kablooey!

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:01 pm

Michael L wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:00 pm
syntonica wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:54 pmThanks, but Jo only has the last version in each posted.
Oh, I did not check. There used to be more versions. Well, 8.33 is an important one for Mac.

I've uploaded it into https://www.mutools.com/mulab/legacy-versions/M8/
Hope this helps.

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:08 pm

syntonica wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:32 am 1. As you can see in the screen shot, the Preset dropdown is missing. Don't CLAP plugins publish preset names like VST2 does? Or, is that an extension?

It indeed is not supported yet. Will check it's already a solid part of CLAP and easy to add, otherwise it might be for a future update. I assume (almost) all plugin editors have their own presets slector, no?

The second file is an error log from a crash on exit. Mac OS 11.7.8 Intel, Mulab 9.2.9. I had the plugin window still open. (FullBucket.de Fury800 CLAP). It doesn't seem to happen if the GUI for it is closed. I can forward this one on if it's not you, but them.

I had the same crash on Windows with Fury800. I'm not sure who is responsible for that crash, host or plug, but the next update has extra protection to avoid that crash, basically by first automatically closing the plugin editors on a safe moment, and only then quitting.

syntonica · Post by **syntonica** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:42 pm

mutools wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:01 pm
Michael L wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:00 pm
syntonica wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:54 pmThanks, but Jo only has the last version in each posted.
Oh, I did not check. There used to be more versions. Well, 8.33 is an important one for Mac.
I've uploaded it into https://www.mutools.com/mulab/legacy-versions/M8/
Hope this helps.

Thanks! I now can see the GUI.

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