If you had to stick to one DAW, which one would it be?

[FapFilter]

of course you can (like anywhere else) look for 3rd party effects, but the ones shipped with Reaper are actually quite serviceable too...

instruments wise though, unless you're a complete masochist, you'll of course need to look elsewhere.

[Jac459]

Legendary composer Steve Reich (Pulitzer, two Grammys, 86 years old and still composing) says he uses the NN-XT sampler in Reason to mockup his compositions.

imagine being 86 and still having both grandmother's alive? they must be as wrinkly as a scrotum.

Oh god, you killed me on this one...

[Jac459]

I think a lot of things changed since 2000 years.... the way we communicate, are distracted, even the way we think. There are pretty interesting studies around that...

The fact that music is changing is not a bad thing.... embrace change....

As per AI, it is a point of singularity. Nobody of us what will happen.... no need to extensively discuss about it....

Ai Music DAWs are already here.............

https://wavtool.com/

No no, I mean real AI . AI is there since very very long. I studied it in my master in 1993... There were already facial recognition algorithms, neural network, many things...

This DAW AI are cute little things.... But when there will be real AI, the one really able to do the next hit, then our problem won't be the next hit...

[vurt]

I think a lot of things changed since 2000 years.... the way we communicate, are distracted, even the way we think. There are pretty interesting studies around that...

The fact that music is changing is not a bad thing.... embrace change....

As per AI, it is a point of singularity. Nobody of us what will happen.... no need to extensively discuss about it....

Ai Music DAWs are already here.............

https://wavtool.com/

No no, I mean real AI . AI is there since very very long. I studied it in my master in 1993... There were already facial recognition algorithms, neural network, many things...

This DAW AI are cute little things.... But when there will be real AI, the one really able to do the next hit, then our problem won't be the next hit...

on my neverending quest for interesting samples, i found...

[BONES]

Not installing a bunch of plugins because they are of no use is one thing. But to me it seems wasteful to have two licenses and only use the lesser one just because... you're not wasting anything by not using YOUR pro version

By the same token, I am not gaining anything, either, so why bother? Maybe one day I'll come up against some limitation that makes me switch but, until that happens, Artist gets the job done so I see no reason to use my Pro license on either of my computers. Moving forward, it is unlikely I will upgrade my Pro license again, so best not to rely on it.

Yes, there is a few iconic synths riff but they were buried in non electronic arrangement (singers, sometimes drummer, guitarists, and so on).

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So what? We don't make "electronic" music, it's not in any way a prerequisite for working ITB. You need to broaden your horizons.

And in the 80s, synths were unheard of in this state that's why.

Absolute rubbish! You have no idea what you are talking about. None at all. Yamaha's CS-80 had velocity sensitivity and polyphonic after-touch in 1977. That made it more expressive than a piano or pretty much any other physical instrument.

Now I understand that your style of music is EBM. I have nothing about it... But it sounds like 80s... To the core...

Except EBM isn't really what we do, it's just a banner to give some slight understanding about what to expect. Outside EDM, genres really aren't important. If anything, we're really a rock band but people expect rock bands to have guitarists and we don't, so it's not helpful to say that's what we do. EBM/Electro-Industrial is easier for people to get their heads around.

Then I am not surprised you don't hear it... My father didn't neither... No big deal.

Of course it's a big deal - if it's actually there, anyone with working ears will be able to hear it. That most people don't means you just think you hear it but it's not really there at all. Like God.

But maybe a new genre will appear because of it...

What is the value of a genre that's dependent on a tool or a feature? Genres should be about music, not the tools used to make it. That's the problem with too much of EDM - it's all about the process, not the result.

So at a "live show" you end up having a gifted composer standing behind a laptop while graphics are displayed on a large screen.

That would only follow if every part in the piece was unplayable by human hands, which is patently nonsense. There might be a part or a passage that only the computer can play but that wouldn't stop one, or several, keyboard players and a drummer from playing everything else. You need to use a bit more imagination.

[vurt]

you're like the punk pet shop boys

[Atlatnesiti]

Funny poll…
Obviously free app like Reaper will get most votes
Interestingly enough, $868 dollar Cubase Pro is right there…
I’m for one voted for Cubase There is no substitute for it.

Is that US or Aussie $ ?

If it's US and you paid $868, they saw you coming... If it's Aussie, I could believe that. Price is currently ~$640 US (converted from £ and including VAT/sales tax), and will be considerably cheaper in a sale.

Also, yeah you winked, but Reaper is definitely not free. $60 for a personal licence, $225(ish) for a commercial licence. But, it comes with no instruments, and, um, serviceable effects - Unless you plan to use only freely available plugins, you need to budget for that too, so add a couple hundred $...

Yeah, AUS but, makes not difference.
Used Steinberg Cubase since Atari STE version 3.1
Migrated to PC 10 years ago and than eye opening experience happened…
Apple Mac, iPad Pro, iPhone Pro, AirPods, etc;…
Never looked back since

[vurt]

angry disco.

[sQeetz]

Not installing a bunch of plugins because they are of no use is one thing. But to me it seems wasteful to have two licenses and only use the lesser one just because... you're not wasting anything by not using YOUR pro version

By the same token, I am not gaining anything, either, so why bother? Maybe one day I'll come up against some limitation that makes me switch but, until that happens, Artist gets the job done so I see no reason to use my Pro license on either of my computers. Moving forward, it is unlikely I will upgrade my Pro license again, so best not to rely on it.

That's the stupidest smart move I've ever seen. kudos!

[pdxindy]

I am not criticising Bitwig, it is a brilliant piece of software engineering. I took the time to watch a video about modulations etc, and was very impressed.So its not about Bitwig. Its about soul. Only a live musician does that for me personally. I did look up the two musicians you mentioned, and listened to a few bits of their music. Jean Michelle Jarre they are not. Just a subjective personal opinion.

It's not either/or. With MPE and wide ranging modulation options that can be controlled per voice by live playing, Bitwig is an excellent instrument for a live musician. These sorts of tools are in their infancy. As more musicians become aware of them, some of them will end up becoming highly skilled live performers using them.

[pdxindy]

Of course Ableton has it. It’s implemented in a different way and actually the project level modulation was there way before Bitwig. Of course you will add the glorified “per voice” etc….

In Bitwig, project level modulators are not per voice... global only. So Live is just as capable (if not more so with M4L) in that regard. The difference is in the workflow, which is far far better in Bitwig.

[pdxindy]

You should be very grateful (and you are, right?) that you have found a modulation heaven in Bitwig. It’s a neat DAW for the few passionate users that is fulfilling their vision of endless options. Great!

Having a wide range of easy to use tools doesn't mean one uses lots of them all the time. If I need a 10mm deep socket, I go into my tool shed and get it and complete the task. I don't grab a bucket and pile it full of different tools and play around with them while forgetting the task at hand (which is the sort of thing you frequently imply).

Use whatever DAW you want. But maybe instead of a steady posting of snarky and condescending comments about the DAW you don't use, you could try posting about the DAW you do. Maybe give some examples of how you use Live's groove pool, post some audio examples of the use of tools you find inspiration with.

[liquidsound]

Of course Ableton has it. It’s implemented in a different way and actually the project level modulation was there way before Bitwig. Of course you will add the glorified “per voice” etc….

In Bitwig, project level modulators are not per voice... global only. So Live is just as capable (if not more so with M4L) in that regard. The difference is in the workflow, which is far far better in Bitwig.

Better? The overall production workflow is what counts, and there the flip is obvious.
I admire your self marketing department for BWG…

[liquidsound]

I’ve been working with Bitwig probably 2 years, IIRC.

You can compare as long as you feel necessary but if we need to go further you have no idea what a M4L device can do “IF” you need such a power.
There are devices, among the free ones, that are incredibly useful and some are just very specialized and useless to the majority.

Again, it’s all based on your needs to “make music” in the way that fits you best.

You should be very grateful (and you are, right?) that you have found a modulation heaven in Bitwig. It’s a neat DAW for the few passionate users that is fulfilling their vision of endless options. Great!

But I need a better DAW thank you.

Well I used ableton for 6 months. Forcing me to learn it and like it. Didn't manage. I already use Excel in my day job, thanks.

I guess indeed it is a better DAW for accountant lol.

Anyway, as said before the discussion is irrelevant. There is no best daw. There is a best daw for usage/ genre/ workflow.
Everybody should do its own homework and decide.

At least now I know you like the “brown version” of excel.
Actually we got more colors available in the original

A good excel is a dead excel my friend

Are you ok my friend?
Looks like you need a brake from the real excel…
I’ve been there but I wrote the database for my company because I wanted it exactly my way and I could adapt it as I grew the company but… it’s a hell of a job. I will eventually hire someone and they will use a different platform.

But yeah, it sound like excel is getting the best of you and consequently stay away from Ableton especially after 6 months of repulsion to the sheet!

[liquidsound]

You should be very grateful (and you are, right?) that you have found a modulation heaven in Bitwig. It’s a neat DAW for the few passionate users that is fulfilling their vision of endless options. Great!

Having a wide range of easy to use tools doesn't mean one uses lots of them all the time. If I need a 10mm deep socket, I go into my tool shed and get it and complete the task. I don't grab a bucket and pile it full of different tools and play around with them while forgetting the task at hand (which is the sort of thing you frequently imply).

Use whatever DAW you want. But maybe instead of a steady posting of snarky and condescending comments about the DAW you don't use, you could try posting about the DAW you do. Maybe give some examples of how you use Live's groove pool, post some audio examples of the use of tools you find inspiration with.

Don’t read my posts if they are…snarky? Maybe you feel better in your shed instead of reading my comments.
Keep going on your journey, step aside from mine.