Vital - Released

[zerocrossing]

It’s funny, I bought a Hydrasynth Deluxe and heard a lot of people talking about how it sounded super harsh, but I wasn’t really hearing that in most demos. I wanted it as a 73 key controller with polyphonic aftertouch and I wasn’t super concerned about it as a synth engine. But as is my nature, I gave the tires a good kick when I got it. Turns out, a lot of the “mutators” (functions run on wavetables) have a lot of aliasing, and you can get it to sound fairly harsh. The filter drive aliases a lot too, once you pass 12 o’clock. Anyway, once I griped about it a bit, seems silly that a digital synth in modern times behaves like that, I started just using the synth. Guess what? It can sound really great if you stay away from its weak points. Every synth has them. It’s also fun to exploit it’s crunchy digital grit for evil purposes.

Anyway, if Vital has some areas where it sounds harsh, well I’d be surprised if it didn’t. Once you can basically take any arbitrary waveform and perform a bunch of audio rate modulation on them, you are going to get harsh sounds. It would be broken if it didn’t.

[Igro]

Is it true that Vital is abandonware? How did you guys come up with that conclusion? Thank you

The developer is not active anymore for like a year or even longer.

[Double Tap]

The last fix to Vital was put up in November 2022 as far as I can see from the Vital discord, and Matt was last active there in June this year. Does that mean it’s abandonware? To me it doesn’t - it’s barely two years old anyway - but people can make up their own minds.

[egbert101]

Does anyone know what the major bugs are that still need fixing? Seems entirely useable and free to me, so what is the problem?

[QuietSheep]

Could use CPU optimizations from what I heard. CPU optimizations in general is always wonderful regardless of the synth.

[Igro]

The last fix to Vital was put up in November 2022 as far as I can see from the Vital discord, and Matt was last active there in June this year. Does that mean it’s abandonware? To me it doesn’t - it’s barely two years old anyway - but people can make up their own minds.

Hi. And what sort of activity was that?
Anyway, the last build doesn't cause any problem on my system. The CPU load is good. I mean, IK Classic Clipper has 2x more CPU usage than Vital. Effect vs Synth. Lol

[QuietSheep]

The CPU load is good. I mean, IK Classic Clipper has 2x more CPU usage than Vital. Effect vs Synth. Lol

CPU optimization is general can always be improved upon, even if some others don't have any problems. Cause obviously not everyone's system is the same.
As for me the CPU load isn't too bad for me either when I used it. Remember it being around Serum's performance, which seems the be the typical benchmark for synths with graphical workflows and reasonable modulation options.

Id argue most of its CPU issues come from its graphical interface. Some of my patches can have 4-9% load when I wasn't playing anything. Something like that is what I'd get from a Arturia plugin. Usually it's 0-2% for every other synth.

[Masterofdisaster]

imagination for you, clear audible difference for me. why is it so hard to accept?

Because you avoid posting an audio demo of Vital with the alleged high end nastiness. If it is as clear and obvious as you say, then it must be easy to demonstrate. You haven't even stated any sort of description of what you hear, when you hear it, an issue with a certain preset, steps to reproduce, etc.

Then you said that you are unable to match the sound of two synths, which is pretty easy. This leads me to think you are inexperienced. So your claim might just be user error or lack of understanding on your part.

Anyway, you are free of course to think what you like. But you haven't given anything to indicate that your assertion is anything other than imaginary or the misunderstanding of a beginner. You make a bold claim and offer zero evidence to back it up... of course most people aren't going to accept it.

as ive said 1000 times now, LFO8 already posted that example. its literally right there for you to listen to. Its synth B. Thats vital. That has that sound im talking about. Why wont you get this through your head? Why are you asking me to post something that is already posted?
Ah yes, misunderstanding of a beginner... im inexperienced... This is all ad hominem. Doesnt mean sht.
And fyi, Im a mastering engineer. Ive used cubase for music production since 2003. Before that Ive used reason and before that ive used Rebirth.

Back it up how? Its literally already backed up, and even 2 people had it right when that test was about, some months ago.
So what is it youre asking? Its already provided for you.

[Masterofdisaster]

i appreciate that alot. thats nice of you to say. but unfortunately i did feel a bit ganged up on, and when that happens, especially over the internet you tend to put your thorns up and that to me is just human nature.

You tried Vital out, didn't like the sounds you were getting, and concluded that it has a bad sound.

no, thats not true. AGAIN let me reference LFO8s test he did a few months ago. Two nearly identical sounds, for all intents and purposes they ARE identical, yet one has a nasty hi freq tone, as i call it, one does not. Simple. I hear it. You obviously dont. But dont go around thinking it has anything to do with synthesis, cause it doesnt. Its the sound itself. I find it mind boggling this is so hard for you guys to understand. If you dont agree with me - thats fine. But dont say all this crazy stuff that Ive never claimed, as if thats what I said.
Thats foul.

[Masterofdisaster]

I believe you think you can hear something. That's good enough for me. (Maybe it's the synth. Maybe it's some intermodulation distortion in your monitoring system. Maybe it's a setting on your audio interface.)

jesus christ, this is where youre at with it? Problems with my monitoring and/or incorrect settings??
just admit you cant hear what im referring to. Simple. I can. And other people can too, im not alone in that. But just face it, maybe your ears doesnt have the same acute hearing as me and those other people? Just maybe?

[Double Tap]

The last fix to Vital was put up in November 2022 as far as I can see from the Vital discord, and Matt was last active there in June this year. Does that mean it’s abandonware? To me it doesn’t - it’s barely two years old anyway - but people can make up their own minds.

Hi. And what sort of activity was that?
Anyway, the last build doesn't cause any problem on my system. The CPU load is good. I mean, IK Classic Clipper has 2x more CPU usage than Vital. Effect vs Synth. Lol

It was just forum talk, nothing about the synth. It’s definitely been quiet. But that doesn’t mean abandoned in my view

[N__K]

I hear it easiest in a supersaw sound, cause that means there's tons of movement and phasing happening.

I think I understand what you mean.

You are probably perceiving a particular characteristic in Vital's implementation - or, perhaps, some specific setting - of unison/supersaw, relating to phases.

The implementations of supersaw/unison tend to vary between synths, and it's understandable that you may not get the same exact sound from two synths (unless they share the same code/implementation, and can be set to exact same parameter values).

Also, I suspect that the description you originally used - "a nasty tone in the 12k-20k range" - sent some people (myself included) to look for a general abnormality in frequency response in that range, one that would be present in a clean test signal (such as a one-voice saw wave with phases of all partials at zero). No such issue was found, so there's one possible reason for misunderstandings.

Another is the implied elevation of your subjective hearing experience over that of others here. I believe it is obvious to everyone that people have differences in anatomy of ears and neural processing of sound. But I'm sure you understand that the implication of other people having lesser hearing ability (or otherwise inadequate perception of sound) compared to yourself may send negative vibes to some folks.

To sum it up, it seems like your complaint is about not getting from Vital the exact sound you want; specifically, the results of Vital's unison, probably coupled with phase randomization (?) seem not to be to your liking.
That is fine - there are plenty of other synths on the market, and I assume you lost no money on Vital while using the free version.

Meanwhile, others will continue to enjoy Vital for its capabilities, as they suit their needs. All good, I'd say.

[Monsieur_FyP]

just admit you cant hear what im referring to. Simple. I can. And other people can too, im not alone in that. But just face it, maybe your ears doesnt have the same acute hearing as me and those other people?

Even if you're right, dear « maître du désastre » (!?!?!), what does it matter, and why — WHY? — are you so keen to convince others?
You're the best, we get it! We're deaf, it's a fact! Vital is doomed, okay! And now?
You insist so tirelessly on that bad synthesizer! Like @zerocrossing - who's on a pointless crusade against macOs - you seem convinced that Vitalusers must be saved from perdition! (Or must be rendered publicly despicable… ) Do you really think we're going to give up Vital?
Why don't you go and show off your unrivaled sound science about the synths you like? (Which ones, by the way?)

[Masterofdisaster]

just admit you cant hear what im referring to. Simple. I can. And other people can too, im not alone in that. But just face it, maybe your ears doesnt have the same acute hearing as me and those other people?

Even if you're right, dear « maître du désastre » (!?!?!), what does it matter, and why — WHY? — are you so keen to convince others?
You're the best, we get it! We're deaf, it's a fact! Vital is doomed, okay! And now?
You insist so tirelessly on that bad synthesizer! Like @zerocrossing - who's on a pointless crusade against macOs - you seem convinced that Vitalusers must be saved from perdition! (Or must be rendered publicly despicable… ) Do you really think we're going to give up Vital?
Why don't you go and show off your unrivaled sound science about the synths you like? (Which ones, by the way?)

You're completely missing it and I'm positive you're doing it on purpose. That's not at all what I'm trying to do. I just have an opinion that I would like to be validated. You don't have to agree with it. But when people make fun and bully, and start to gaslight, that's when i take issue.

[liquidsound]

I just have an opinion that I would like to be validated.

Good Lord! I thought it was a fact