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Urs wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:28 pm Layering is a bit of a pet peeve of mine.

Why should we prevent an LFO from Layer 1 to be reused in Layer 2 and Layer 3 and Layer4? Why shouldn't one be able to send a portion of the audio of Layer 1 to the reverb on Layer 2?

My designs have always been developed with efficiency in mind, and to me the concept of layers seems more like a restriction than an offering.

I understand that layering allows for quick experimentation by combining simple sources in an easy manner. But even that is more difficult to achieve in a single instance of a virtual instrument than in two or more instances in a DAW, where each preset browser can be open at the same time. As in: For quick multi layering you'd need two separate kinds of presets, multis and singles. This drives cost and complexity. I believe it makes the very thing harder to achieve that the user may be seeking.

As for sound design efficiency in Zebra, we are experimenting with UI refinements that let people group modules and show/hide those to various ways to keep focus on what could be seen as a layer - even if it isn't necessarily a layer in the classical sense.
Typically I see two advantages of layering:

1) Being able to combine a set of sounds that play in different notes/zones. Like say a drum machine or a bass on the left hand and chords on the right hand.

2) Being able to assign a different arp/sequencer for every layer. You could have like a bass playing a single sustained note and a sequence playing on top of it.

Of course Z3 could solve these in alternative ways vs using layers and overcome the limitations you described.

For example, VPS Avenger allows multiple arps/sequencers and these can be assigned to the oscs directly instead of the whole patch.

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I don't like plain layering. At least the synth should be able to algorithmically interact with each layer. Plain layering IMHO is a task for the DAW and brings nothing new at all on the table. So instead of separated layers, I would prefer more OSCs and a flexible signal flow ;)

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pierb wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:33 pm
Typically I see two advantages of layering:

1) Being able to combine a set of sounds that play in different notes/zones. Like say a drum machine or a bass on the left hand and chords on the right hand.

2) Being able to assign a different arp/sequencer for every layer. You could have like a bass playing a single sustained note and a sequence playing on top of it.
I mostly do that stuff in the DAW. It is more flexible as I am not limited to the tools in one synth, but can layer different synths, add different individual FX to each layer and so on.

One of the great things about Zebra is that while it's deep, it is still relatively simple and fast to use. So I would prefer Z3 to keep that same basic structure and not become one of those do everything kind of environments.

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Hey Urs, hows Z3? :)

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hehehe, for the past few weeks I've been focussed on Filterscape and CLAP and VST3 stuff... can't wait to get back on the oscillator and MSEG! We still hope to be able to have a Zebralette 3 this year.

Apart from my work, some of the UI stuff for Z3 has been done, which I haven't tried yet. One developer who specialises on Comb filters and physical modelling has done great progress, too.

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Urs wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:27 pm hehehe, for the past few weeks I've been focussed on Filterscape
The new filters in Filterscape VA are lovely sounding! Great work!!
Urs wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:27 pmOne developer who specialises on Comb filters and physical modelling has done great progress, too.
:love: :love: :love:

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Urs wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:27 pm hehehe, for the past few weeks I've been focussed on Filterscape and CLAP and VST3 stuff... can't wait to get back on the oscillator and MSEG! We still hope to be able to have a Zebralette 3 this year.
Great to hear! One question regarding Zebra Legacy: Any chance that some of the new Filterscape features like CLAP + Note expression will be ported back to Zebra Legacy? That would be really great!
Find my (music) related software projects here: github.com/Fannon

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I would imagine Zebra Legacy is now maintain only software.
rsp
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Urs wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:27 pm hehehe, for the past few weeks I've been focussed on Filterscape and CLAP and VST3 stuff... can't wait to get back on the oscillator and MSEG! We still hope to be able to have a Zebralette 3 this year.

Apart from my work, some of the UI stuff for Z3 has been done, which I haven't tried yet. One developer who specialises on Comb filters and physical modelling has done great progress, too.
I love what you did with More Feedback Machine 2.0.

Is Filterscape also about to graduate to its next major version (aka 2.0 aka a complete overhaul)?
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limitlesssss wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:22 pm
Urs wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:27 pm hehehe, for the past few weeks I've been focussed on Filterscape and CLAP and VST3 stuff... can't wait to get back on the oscillator and MSEG! We still hope to be able to have a Zebralette 3 this year.

Apart from my work, some of the UI stuff for Z3 has been done, which I haven't tried yet. One developer who specialises on Comb filters and physical modelling has done great progress, too.
I love what you did with More Feedback Machine 2.0.

Is Filterscape also about to graduate to its next major version (aka 2.0)?
did you miss this?

viewtopic.php?t=599959

:party:

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I assume you did see the Filterscape 1.5 thread started a week or so ago.
I think this would be the 'equivalent' to Filterscape 2 using the MFM 2 parallel.

rsp
sound sculptist

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dayjob wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:28 pm
limitlesssss wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:22 pm
Urs wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:27 pm hehehe, for the past few weeks I've been focussed on Filterscape and CLAP and VST3 stuff... can't wait to get back on the oscillator and MSEG! We still hope to be able to have a Zebralette 3 this year.

Apart from my work, some of the UI stuff for Z3 has been done, which I haven't tried yet. One developer who specialises on Comb filters and physical modelling has done great progress, too.
I love what you did with More Feedback Machine 2.0.

Is Filterscape also about to graduate to its next major version (aka 2.0)?
did you miss this?

viewtopic.php?t=599959

:party:
Holy moly, I completely missed that. Let me catch up. :D

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zvenx wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:29 pm I assume you did see the Filterscape 1.5 thread started a week or so ago.
I think this would be the 'equivalent' to Filterscape 2 using the MFM 2 parallel.

rsp
Yes, I'm going to start reading that thread now. Thank you.

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So, yes, I'm sure CLAP and NoteExpressions will eventually make it to Zebra2 as well, just like we're going to bring back AAX on Mac as well. We're trying to maintain a unified codebase as much as possible.

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Urs wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:40 pm So, yes, I'm sure CLAP and NoteExpressions will eventually make it to Zebra2 as well, just like we're going to bring back AAX on Mac as well. We're trying to maintain a unified codebase as much as possible.
Great to hear, thanks Urs!
Find my (music) related software projects here: github.com/Fannon

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