Zebra 3 and Zebra Legacy

[whyterabbyt]

Its unfair that anyone ever paid less for anything than I had to, no matter how much use Ive made of those things I paid for.

[mabian]

Its unfair that anyone ever paid less for anything than I had to, no matter how much use Ive made of those things I paid for.

Let's ban discounts/sales, grace periods and upgrade paths for sake of "fairness" then

- Mario

[carrieres]

99+6x30+2x39+42+49=448
448 € of presets
448+199=647
647 € Zebra2 with all the sounds if bought before 15 november 2022

[whyterabbyt]

99+6x30+2x39+42+49=448
448 € of presets
448+199=647
647 € Zebra2 with all the sounds if bought before 15 november 2022

but i dont like those presets, so its not fair.

[fladd]

I lost track now. Which product is the one you want but think you have to pay too much for? Zebra2 or Zebra3?

[dayjob]

need a separate thread just for the butthurt posts.

[audiojunkie]

I lost track now. Which product is the one you want but think you have to pay too much for? Zebra2 or Zebra3?

It's irrelevant, really. These guys are all the same.


I wasn't going to say it, but these whiners need to hear it--


To all the current and all future complainers about the pricing of U-he products:

You haven't been involved with U-he's business long enough to know how silly (and petty) you make yourself look with these complaints.

Understand this.... We long-time U-he customers KNOW that Urs has been good to us, and we have been treated well as customers. This whining just paints you guys with a big flag that says that you know absolutely nothing about the company or the product or its history--let alone anything whatsoever about Urs. It paints you as ungrateful morons.

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh. I really do. But if you (and the others that whine and complain) could see us, the long-time U-he customers' collective eye-rolls every time this same crap comes up, you'd understand better. I'm sorry, but someone needs to say it. We go on and on, over and over, about the same crap every time a wet-nosed greenhorn newbie shows up and starts complaining. It gets really, really, REALLY...........old.

[pierb]

I mostly do that stuff in the DAW. It is more flexible as I am not limited to the tools in one synth, but can layer different synths, add different individual FX to each layer and so on.

One of the great things about Zebra is that while it's deep, it is still relatively simple and fast to use. So I would prefer Z3 to keep that same basic structure and not become one of those do everything kind of environments.

As an end user I agree with you 100%.

But as a sound designer distributing presets to clients, these are features that I wish I had on every single Zebra project.

[nick_op]

I can't remember if I commented back in the thread when the first protests about lack of upgrade path from ZL to Z3 happened but I think that putting new customers above the old ones is a (relatively) new phenomenon. There was a mindset previously that it was worth treating current customers well because you were more likely to receive repeat custom from them. It's a shame that it's not really the norm any more. Who really wants to change their insurance/utilities/etc for a better deal because the current company sees new customers as more important.

I'm glad, as an existing u-he customer, to be treated well (let's be honest, there's some obvious bias here because of that). I think the new customers are also being treated well because they can buy a phenomenal synth for such a low price. It seems fairly balanced to me, but then that's the aforementioned bias coming into play.

Who knows - a new buyer of ZL might find that it's completely sufficient for their needs and they don't need to buy Z3 later. Then u-he have saved them even more money. Just food for thought.

[dayjob]

i don't know what else u-he could've done to alert people to the pricing plan and overall release plan w/ZL and Z3. there was a pretty big window of time to get in on zebra w/an update path to Z3. there were social media posts on all channels, i think an email went out? i can't remember.. and more than one thread here with Urs and other u-he people posting in them to make sure people understood. they did their best to inform people.

"here's your options. this is the way it is."

it's a shame things have to get re-litigated over and over but generally in life, if you snooze you lose. even when there's like 3 months to make a choice.

anyway..

[aer72]

Let me see if i have understood it right...
Old customers that have Zebra2 (200$) got Zebra Legacy (with all the "goodies") for free and will have a 30$ upgrade price to Zebra3...ok? So, 230$.
New customers that buy Zebra Legacy (100$) have no upgrade plan but the full Zebra3 price (probably 200$)..
In what world is this fair to the new customers? Not in the one we are living.
It would be fair to pay 130$ upgrade to Zebra3, not the full price...they already payed 100$.
If you just want to be fair to everyone...
You say that 100 bucks for Legacy is a bargain ...well, ZebraHZ , yes, but the sound sets... not so much. I am trialing it now and i barely found a few presets i can use (i am not making movie music)... they are so dated, old and most of them are the same. So thanks for the sound sets, but i think i`ll do my own presets. I`ll buy Legacy if you come with a fair upgrade plan for Z3...fair, i mean i am willing to pay just the amount old customers do. Thanks.

No one is forcing you to buy anything. Buy Zebra Legacy if that's what you want. Wait for Zebra 3, and buy that when it comes out. Or download 5000 free plugins from all over the internet if that's what you want.
But don't say that a company owe you anything. U-He as a company has been more than fair with free upgrades to their existing plugins they are more communicative than any company I have ever heard of. Zebra legacy is the best bargain you can wish for, but you "want more!!!", "it's not fair"...

Sheesh...

[AnalogGuy1]

Wait, Zebra legacy is going for just $99? I paid 199 for it in 2007, when the Dow was at 13178. The Dow is 34500 now, so that $199 is $520 in today's dollars. And you're selling the same thing I purchased (worse, since the current legacy has improvements from the original version I bought) for less than 1/5 of the buying power it cost me? This is an outrage! In what world is this a fair deal?

[elassi]

wet-nosed greenhorn newbie

Haha, thank you for this phrase (and the more than justified rant in general).

Didn't know that this expression ("wet-nosed") exists in the English language. We know it as "Rotzlöffel" or "Rotznase" - both are wonderful words for cheeky, disrespectful, and not age-appropriate behavior.

[dayjob]

[ahanysz]

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