Where is Cubase 12.5 or 13?

[zvenx]

Where are the Audio and Track Pictures subfolders that generate by default inside the Cubase generated Project folder? Maybe Mac works different than Windows.

Anywho I just want Cubase to start working like it did for time before about 3 versions ago where any folders Cubase generates on it's own are also removed by Cubase if a project file isn't saved. Saves from having empty Orphan project folders which clutter very quickly an other wise really tidy root folder housing all the project folders.

I don't think Cubase was ever clearing project folders you manually created, only ones it created for you. Yes?

That is to say, I think we are discussing two different things with folders. One with folders you are creating and the other with folders Cubase is creating.

It would normally be in that folder, but since the project didn't have any audio, (it was solely midi) it didn't generate it.. it only generates it if you have at least one audio track in the project.

I started this whole back and forth by saying that it actually was deleting folders that I create if I didn't save a project to it, so I wasn't that it was changed and not doing that anymore...
But it use to at least, delete folders I created if I didn't save a project to it (once I pointed to cubase to it as the project folder, for a project I never end up saving).

But yeah I do think we are discussing two different things... I am talking about folders I create, you are about folders it creates.
rsp

[jancivil]

There's shit wrong in 12 ... And there are things I really like which are entirely broken like they got rid of the feature but didn't tell anybody (eg. setting up a quantize window where I establish all the tuplets, no response, dead as a doorknob).

Correction: this got fixed somewhere, at point 7 it's working.
the global tracks, however...

[bysbox1]

I really wonder how these accidents like the one on Steinberg's Cubase websites happen. One of the web designers tests something, and then accidentally puts the page online, and accidentally leaves it there?

Isn't that how leaks usually work? You just "accidentally" leak infos on your site, or an employee "accidentally" gives the infos to an influencer?

Crazy times we live in. Where a rudimentary piece of info is deliberately leaked, and everyone can guess when the release date is, and what will be in the package. I rather preferred hard info on the day of release, but, I guess that's how people roll these days. Mystery and guesswork.

IIRC it happened with either Cubase 9 or 10.

[sqigls]

I am starting to regret making this thread, after scrolling through the last few pages of it.

i'm starting to regret joining KVR, after coming here for 23 years.

[Resonant- Serpent]

https://www.gearnews.com/steinberg-cubase-13/

[Resonant- Serpent]

WHAT’S NEW IN 13?

CHANNEL TAB
Mix on the go
The new channel tab in the Project window gives you direct access to your mix, without leaving the arrangement.
The new design means you can intuitively find what you need, letting you mix on the go in a compact, per channel view.
(PRO-ARTIST-ELEMENTS)

MIXCONSOLE
Slick, streamlined, focused
The MixConsole has been given a fresh overhaul with a slick, streamlined design to help you focus on your mix.
(PRO-ARTIST-ELEMENTS)

RANGE TOOL
Increase your range
The Range tool is one of the most powerful tools in Cubase and it’s now available in the Key Editor as well as the Drum Editor.
(PRO-ARTIST-ELEMENTS)

EDITOR
A new editor experience
Edit multiple parts from within the Key Editor and Drum Editor, switch between tracks with the Visibility tab and maintain an overview with the new Track display
(PRO)

VOCAL PRODUCTION
The ultimate vocal chain
Vocal processing is an art of its own, taking a lot of expertise and experience to master the different processing steps. The VocalChain plug-in provides dedicated modules for each step, helping to turn your recordings into professional-sounding vocal tracks.
(PRO-ARTIST)

CHORD PADS
Progress your progressions
The new chord pads make it easy to find creative chord progressions. New presets give you excellent starting points and enhanced functions make it even simpler to create unique music.
(PRO-ARTIST-ELEMENTS)

ORCHESTRAL LIBRARΥ
Sketch out your scores
Iconica Sketch allows everyone from beginners to professional composers to create full orchestral scores of the highest quality with 140 articulations for 34 instruments in a compact 5GB library.
(PRO-ARTIST-ELEMENTS)

SAMPLER TRACK
Τweak it
The Sampler Track is even more creative, thanks to stunning new Spectral Warp modes for extreme manipulation and powerful envelope creation.
(PRO-ARTIST-ELEMENTS)

VOCODER
Τhe return of a legend
Create classic robotic vocals or add analog flavor to your instruments with the legendary Steinberg Vocoder. Use up to 24 filter bands, sidechain input, and enjoy in-depth control over the sound.
(PRO-ARTIST)
COMPRESSION
Compression with character
Black Valve is a classic tube compressor with lots of warmth and character. Its sonic detail makes this tribute to one of the most iconic studio processors really stand out
(PRO)

EQUALIZER
Add class with frequency
Two new equalizers, the EQ-P1A and the EQ-M5, add a classy sound to your productions.
(PRO-ARTIST)

COMPRESSION
Be a vocal specialist
The new VoxComp is a compressor specifically designed for vocals, gently taming your recordings without compromising clarity, transients, or expression.
(PRO)

SAMPLE PACKS
Creative starting points
Be inspired by five exclusive new sample packs by Grammy-winning producer Beat Butcha, creative mastermind Sharooz, and acclaimed sample boutiques 91Vocals and Touch Loops.
(PRO-ARTIST-ELEMENTS)

STEP & MIDI INPUT - The Step and MIDI Input features are now more even powerful. Modify note lengths on the fly and add voices on top with the new polyphonic note input feature.
KEY EDITOR - MIDI CCs can now be recorded in simplified ramps to make it quicker and easier for editing the controller events afterward
TRACK VERSIONS FOR VIDEO - Working with new video edits is now more convenient with new Track Versions for the VideoTrack.
START MODES - Do you want to start from the cycle marker, the last position or your selection? Configure where playback starts to precisely match your workflow.
TRANSPORT BAR - Easily adjust the project tempo to the beat with the new Tap Tempo feature in the Transport Bar.
CHANNEL CONFIGURATION - Change the channel type from mono to stereo or vice versa with just one click
VERTICAL ZOOM - Zoom in and out vertically with the mouse wheel and decide whether you want to zoom to transport or selection.
KEY COMMANDS - The new Key Command dialog makes managing your short cuts quick and easy. Find commands easier with the dynamic filter and try new macros on the fly.The new Key Command dialog makes managing your short cuts quick and easy. Find commands easier with the dynamic filter and try new macros on the fly.
IMPORT TRACKS FROM PROJECTS - There are several new options that give you more flexibility and control when importing tracks, events, and time ranges.
MIDI PLUG-INS - MIDI plug-ins have had a design overhaul with a fresh new look
MIDI 2.0 - With support for high resolution velocity, CC, aftertouch, pitch bend, and poly pressure data, Cubase 13 is ready for the widespread adoption of MIDI 2.0.
ROUTING - You can now set instrument tracks/racks/sampler return channels as inputs for audio tracks, as well as FX and group channels.
DEMO PROJECTS - Explore three new excellent showcase demo projects, including productions by Austin Hull and Azodi.
WINDOW MANAGEMENT - Cubase now features Windows-compliant multi-window handling.
VIDEO ENGINE - The Windows video engine has been improved, including GPU hardware decoding for H264 and better overall performance


FEATURE Cubase Pro 13 Cubase Artist 13 Cubase Artist 13
Number of audio/MIDI/Instrument tracks Unlimited Unlimited 48/64/24
Physical inputs and outputs 256 32 24
Group channels 256 32 16
FX inserts/send/return channels 16 / 8 / 64 16/ 8 / 64 8 / 8 / 8
Number of included Audio effect plug-ins 87 65 45
Included VST instruments Groove Agent SE, HALion Sonic, Sampler Track, Iconica Sketch, Flux, Retrologue, Padshop, Verve, Trip Groove Agent SE, HALion Sonic, Sampler Track, Iconica Sketch, Flux, Retrologue, Padshop, Verve, Trip Groove Agent SE, HALion Sonic, Sampler Track, Iconica Sketch, Flux
Number of included instrument sounds > 3,000 >2,600 >1,000
Sample and Loop Packs 18 (> 20Gb) 18 (> 20Gb) 18 (> 20Gb)
External instruments / effects Yes (Yamaha Motif only) (Yamaha Motif only)
Scoring and notation Full Basic Basic
Chord track & Chord Pads Yes Yes Yes
Advanced comping Yes Yes -
Phase-coherent multi-track AudioWarp Yes Yes -
VariAudio pitch correction Yes Yes -
TrackVersions Yes Yes -
Advanced Audio Export Yes - -
Audio Alignment Yes - -
Control Room monitoring environment Yes - -
Dolby Atmos for music Yes - -

[Synthman2000]

From much that I read about Cubase 12 it looks like that release damaged this DAW's reputation. I have absolutely no idea why Steinberg/Yamaha do not focus a full release cycle to sorting the entire bug and instability situation out and restore said reputation.

I just do not think that change of GUI and adding new features that few will use is in their or users (or their sales) interests. I could not care less personally, it is the least important part of Cubase and stability the most.

I just don't understand the release model it, surely reputation will earn them more than GUI and a few extra tools.

Stability advertises itself.

I think it is a great shame. Maybe I am wrong maybe 12 is / was great ? I see a lot of people complaining still, so it cannot all be PC hardware and interface driver related. You also have to remember it is a cross platform DAW so some bugs etc. may not relate to the platform you are using.

I am still sitting and watching what happens but nothing spurs me to update to latest incarnations. I have dipped in and out looking at 12 and the smaller updates and just thought I am not touching that with a barge pole.

It is exhausting to watch never mind experience.

[woodsdenis]

mmmm I have had no issues with 12 at all, that saying it fits my way of working and mayn't suit others.

[Synthman2000]

mmmm I have had no issues with 12 at all, that saying it fits my way of working and mayn't suit others.

That's good to hear. Are you working on complex sessions, audio only, VST's ? What interface ? I see you are on Mac. Overall it seems to me 12 was a nightmare if you take what is read online as anything to go by (dongle less authorization in itself producing an endless stream of threads, especially close to when 12 was released).

[zvenx]

ME too.. and yes complex sessions, both mac and pc for me
lynx 2c on pc and formerly ni ka 6 on mac.

I have no doubt that some people have issues, but not everyone does.. honestly..
rsp

[Synthman2000]

Maybe I have been over cautious, I have not lost anything by not upgrading, but finding prime time is not easy.

[Trensharo]

Objectively, the new version is clearly superior from both a usability and ergonomics standpoint.

No, no - you may argue about fashions and visuall integrity. But all that is NOT the point.

The important point is another: If you step back and then take a quick look at the track
inspector, you will notice: The individual elements can be perceived much more quickly
by the eye - and are more clearly distinguishable from each other. When working quickly,
the brain is less concerned with registering individual buttons - and can concentrate
more and better on the song itself.

This is exactly a question of visual ergonomics. And that's where Cubase is now taking a
step back. OK - they also take a step back with VST2. I think the motto now is: “One step
back”! "We're getting EVEN worse now!"

What an irony, given the content of your reply. Lol.

Colors!

How cute.

VST2 is the past, how is leaving it behind for something that has been on the market to replace it for over a decade a "step back." Again, ironic, given how you lead off your reply. It's time to move on from that, and your decade-old plug-ins that haven't been updated (or are totally out of development).

The actual point of my reply: Ergonomics > Your Opinion, which is so shaky that it's bordering on baseless (given the content of your replies).

[Trensharo]

I am sure there are people who will like the old version better, as is usually the case. There always exists some contrarians that have to disagree with any change made in an application.

Objectively, the new version is clearly superior from both a usability and ergonomics standpoint.

All I agreed to was this:

The content is easier to grasp and is easier on the eye.

You claim "objectivity" in what is obviously a subjective point (I was just sharing my 2 cents. From my perspective. For what it's worth.)
No need to call me a "contrarian" over that. You might as well stay civil.

You do seem to raise a few valid points about other aspects of the new GUI.

How can thinner fonts, smaller fields for adjustments, and worse contrast be "easier to grasp and easier on the eye."

Make it make sense, please, otherwise... "Contrarian" is all that comes to mind. Saying someone is being contrarian is not a personal attack, BTW. It doesn't describe you, it describes the way in which you engage in the discussion. It's like the difference between someone saying "Your arguments are ridiculous" vs. "You are a ridiculous person." It just means the statements seem like they are the result of a fishing expedition for reasons to disagree with [a] certain point.

Ergonomically, these are objective factors, not subjective opinions. The contrast is bad because it's bad - less readable, and definitely less easier on the eyes when you have to focus more to discern things. The icons are bigger to be more readable by the end user (i.e. increased visual comfort). The sliders being narrower are objectively less usable than the fields behind wider when you need to make a 0.6 db adjustment to track gain in the inspector.

There really is no nuance in that. It's not a semantic game.

There are other areas of the GUI that haven't been updated and can draw the same ire people seem to be happy to throw at it, but this is absolutely an improvement. It is weird that people are willing to argue and die on that hill. To each his own.

God help them (Steinberg) if they haven't updated the Expression Maps dialog, Lol.

@jens: Read signature. I no longer make exceptions.

[Trensharo]

I really wonder how these accidents like the one on Steinberg's Cubase websites happen. One of the web designers tests something, and then accidentally puts the page online, and accidentally leaves it there?

Isn't that how leaks usually work? You just "accidentally" leak infos on your site, or an employee "accidentally" gives the infos to an influencer?

Crazy times we live in. Where a rudimentary piece of info is deliberately leaked, and everyone can guess when the release date is, and what will be in the package. I rather preferred hard info on the day of release, but, I guess that's how people roll these days. Mystery and guesswork.

Probably has to do with people having multiple roles and trying to hit deadlines. Things are done quickly and not checked over. Same way Native Instruments mistakenly posted a "Super Sale" to their website, causing them to have to go back and cancel a bunch of hardware orders.

[chk071]

I really wonder how these accidents like the one on Steinberg's Cubase websites happen. One of the web designers tests something, and then accidentally puts the page online, and accidentally leaves it there?

Isn't that how leaks usually work? You just "accidentally" leak infos on your site, or an employee "accidentally" gives the infos to an influencer?

Crazy times we live in. Where a rudimentary piece of info is deliberately leaked, and everyone can guess when the release date is, and what will be in the package. I rather preferred hard info on the day of release, but, I guess that's how people roll these days. Mystery and guesswork.

Probably has to do with people having multiple roles and trying to hit deadlines. Things are done quickly and not checked over. Same way Native Instruments mistakenly posted a "Super Sale" to their website, causing them to have to go back and cancel a bunch of hardware orders.

I think these leaks are intentional, and that the companies know exactly what they're doing. It happens so regularly that it can't be coincidence.