Current vs Avenger 2

[DJErmac]

some of those full avenger loops (with drums,bass, synths, etc) are... not sure what they are. if i choose one, and hold down middle C... am i a producer?

one thing for sure (re Current and Avenger 2); i do not want to hear ANY wobble basses...

EDIT: watching this now:



EDIT2: ok: nothing about this interests me. i don't need fully-formed songs to trigger, don't need pianos & other basic sounds,& have a dozen great plugins currently. so, am leaning towards Current (or, lol, nothing new right now...)

There are indeed a few presets that are somewhat full songs.
You can simply unactivate the arpeggiators and use the sounds you hear in them.
And you can simply skip to the next instruments folder.
The full songs mean nothing to me in Avenger. The synths are everything.

[zvenx]

Fortunately Avenger is not all about those premade loops.
I myself do not like them either... they are for me just demos (which I shouldn't have to pay for).

rsp

[fisherKing]

the synth sounds are not unfamiliar (i have a good number of synth plugins that sound similar enough). fwiw, Current sounds... different enough to be intriguing. my concern (with both, really) is how trendy they seem, and if i care about that (or not). hmmmmmm

[dionenoid]

No competition really. Avenger is head and shoulders above Current. Avenger's fx, filters, envelopes, modulation, unison, and presets, are all better than Current. And judging by the previews of Avenger2, the difference will only get bigger.

The interface of Current is a bit easier to work with. But that's about it. It's nothing special, doesn't sound special (rather thin and easily burried in a mix) and the online preset thing is just a gimmick imo. The reverb and delay are about the worst i ever heard in a synth btw.

If you like this kind of heavy modulation approach, have a look at Phaseplant. Also beats Current in every department, and has a far easier (and unlimited) modulation system.

[fisherKing]

No competition really. Avenger is head and shoulders above Current. Avenger's fx, filters, envelopes, modulation, unison, and presets, are all better than Current. And judging by the previews of Avenger2, the difference will only get bigger.

The interface of Current is a bit easier to work with. But that's about it. It's nothing special, doesn't sound special (rather thin and easily burried in a mix) and the online preset thing is just a gimmick imo. The reverb and delay are about the worst i ever heard in a synth btw.

If you like this kind of heavy modulation approach, have a look at Phaseplant. Also beats Current in every department, and has a far easier (and unlimited) modulation system.

i disagree; Current sounds great, has lots of unique features, and is certainly not 'thin' (i've even eq'd out a little midrange on some sounds). the online thing = more content; not sure why that would be 'a gimmick'.

i've been poring over youtube videos on avenger, and.. it's not for me. perhaps if i didn't already have a bunch of synth plugins.

in which case... Current is very different from my other synths, and will probably go for it.

[DJErmac]

Hey, case closed !

[zvenx]

No competition really. Avenger is head and shoulders above Current. Avenger's fx, filters, envelopes, modulation, unison, and presets, are all better than Current. And judging by the previews of Avenger2, the difference will only get bigger.

The interface of Current is a bit easier to work with. But that's about it. It's nothing special, doesn't sound special (rather thin and easily burried in a mix) and the online preset thing is just a gimmick imo. The reverb and delay are about the worst i ever heard in a synth btw.

If you like this kind of heavy modulation approach, have a look at Phaseplant. Also beats Current in every department, and has a far easier (and unlimited) modulation system.

i disagree; Current sounds great, has lots of unique features, and is certainly not 'thin' (i've even eq'd out a little midrange on some sounds). the online thing = more content; not sure why that would be 'a gimmick'.

i've been poring over youtube videos on avenger, and.. it's not for me. perhaps if i didn't already have a bunch of synth plugins.

in which case... Current is very different from my other synths, and will probably go for it.

I too mostly agree with you.
Current sounds great. Bold!! In your face.. and very different.
And for sure sounds better than phase plant to my taste pallette.
rsp

[fisherKing]

i have phase plant, but never really got into it. i have massive X, dune 3, vital, twin 3, spire... etc, and feel like i've got great synth sounds covered. plus i've got several drum plugins (and the resources in logic pro as well).

avenger IS impressive, just maybe not for me. Current maybe is...

[kraster]

I feel like Current has a lot of identity.

It's not trying to be a jack of all trades but forging its own path.

A much smaller feature set but more bespoke.

Even the effects occupy their own place. Rift with its bipolar distortion or the Fuse compressor with its OTT on steroids. The weird filters and the odd spectral effects on the Wavetable oscillators.

But together it's all very cohesive. Everything kind of works together. It's complex without being complicated. I have to say that the fact that it doesn't have 50 simultaneous oscillators and all the other bells and whistles is really refreshing.

I find it very focused.

The best way I can sum it up is that Current feels more like an instrument than a tool.

[DCrown]

Even the presets that are kinda full songs SQ, ARP, multi or whatever are interesting, because you can delete all parts but one (the one you like) and save it as preset, there are some really good and special ones.
What I also like is the amount of presets and their quality (!) .
It's a quite big amount, but not a huge amount like for instance u-he.
U-he synths are nice, but I remember Diva has about one million presets (!!!!), Qantity does not automatically mean quality or Amplitube by IK Mtimedia where 80% of presets are crap! You simply loose track and minor quality is demotivating.
It's similar to going to a bakery to simply buy bread buns and they offer several different buns, I don't need that. Make good bread buns, I think 3 different ones are more than enough.

Coffee with cow's milk? , we have from France, Italy or Switzerland, lactose-free?, rock milk or with goat's milk or maybe soya milk or oat milk or rice milk, certified organic, fair trade or? or? or?
Sorry, but I'd like to have a peppermint tea with white sugar,, with just some white sugar, please!

Avenger is an instrument and tool imo
Use it immediately or use it as a tool to create your own awesome presets, I use it more as a tool.

[dune_rave]

IMHO every newer instrument face huge risk (from the developer side), because we don't really need newer synths, there are a bunch of already existing super super synths to use, and those synths are existing, tested, rock solid etc...
Of course we may need some new synths with some really new features - Like SynthPlant2 - but in synthplant2 case I still can question this new feature, I still think it's not that usable, but that 's just me. So in case of Current, I admit it's a "nice package of features" bit in my book, adds nothing new to my existing tools.

[DCrown]

Avenger is a piece of art, I would pay 99 usd for the gui only without any sounds.

Some people complain about the upgrade price, but some devs would charge 99 for the new reverb of v2 only, and everyone knows what extraordinary high quality every single fx of Avenger is.

[Atlatnesiti]

Why is developer looking so not impressed in this video?
Btw; How much will it cost?

[DCrown]

He is apparently a very focused guy, nothing wrong with it

[msvs]

next to Claudio, everyone must be looking boring
But in fact I am very excited for the release. Finally after 4 years of work on it.

I can post the updated Specs (with version 2.0 features added), maybe that can make an impression, whats possible. I dont know "current" so I wont do any comparisons.
For me as a sound designer, Avenger is my dreamsynth, since there are nearly no restrictions, everything you have in your head - and even if its complex af - is possible somehow.

Of course in demonstration videos we like to use "impressive" self playing SQ Sequence presets. But these are only a small part of Avengers' library. And furthermore the arps and sequences can be turned off, so you even with SQs you can end up with normal playable sounds, if you want. See SQ presets as kind of a "container" or song project, where you have access to all used elements.



Vengeance Producer Suite (VPS) Avenger 2.0 facts:

Meet our new alpha and omega of synthesis: Vengeance Producer Suite Avenger 2.0 is here! The most versatile and best sounding synth you will ever encounter. There is nothing VPS Avenger can't do, it offers you tons of features and a gigantic growing library from some of the best sound designers on this planet.

Introducing VPS Avenger Version 2.0, a long-awaited evolution in the world of synthesizers. After over four years of dedicated development, we're excited to unveil this powerhouse, packed with a plethora of groundbreaking features and a completely revamped GUI for an enhanced user experience.

Some of the new highlights include:

A Spectral Granular module for unparalleled sound manipulation
An all-new drum loop module, comes with a library of 1500 new drumloops
New Factory library with 250 presets, samples, wavetables and more
Ratchets for ARPs, allowing for intricate and dynamic pattern creation
Parallel filtering for more precise sound sculpting
A new pitch quantizer and ARP randomizer, empowering modular-style, random melody generation
An array of innovative creative effects and reverbs to expand your sonic possibilities
Audio preview for presets
To top it all off, VPS Avenger Version 2.0 offers a smooth 60fps interface, improved stability, enhanced CPU efficiency, and faster loading times
Avenger 2.0 uses a Keyfile for protection, that means you have 3 activations for your computers and you can activate/de-activate them in your Avenger account page. You do NOT need an USB dongle for Avenger! Computers are Keyfile activated and refresh their license automatically all 90 days.

For a comprehensive list of our new features, please scroll down:

• up to 8 OSC Modules:

each OSC with own V-Saw (Supersaw) (1-7 voices, 1-4 octs, pan spread)
each OSC with its own vibrato LFO (which can modulate every V-Saw (Supersaw) voice seperately)
each OSC with own Chorder (Note Stacker, Unison)
each OSC with additional Sub OSC model
each OSC can have its own synthesis model (see "GENERATORS" for details)
• OSC Transformation parameters:

Xcite (bending the waveform in any direction)
Formant (pulse width modulate any waveform)
Bit/Crush (Rate/Bit reduce any waveform)
Sync (easy sync mode with built in modulation env)
Volume / Pan / Transpose / Finetune / Random&Alternate Pitch
Noise Generator (level, noise color / noise rate reducer, stereo spread)
FM & AM (if you wish Alias free mode), FM source: countless basic waveforms, noise or own custom drawable shapes. Rate is syncable to semitones/octaves/7ths etc)
FFT editor for each OSC Module: Edit all spectral content in realtime, delete odd harmonics, boost octaves performs morphs or create custom filtersweeps
Randomizer
many FFT presets (organ overtone registers, crazy stuff etc...)
use our unique feature to randomly pulsate every band!
• up to 8 ARP Modules:

up / down / random / poly modes
new randomizer module for the arp (let you randomize your arp patterns, with plenty of options and different scales)
you can randomizes: note pitch, note length, silenct gaps, octaves, velocity, ratches and note connections (slides)
"auto dice" feature: creates a new random arp on every pattern end
different note scales (like lydian, dorian, pent minor or asian etc)
new ratchet feature (you can now subdivide arp notes and even set their velocity and pitch)
editable note lengths and note transposes / velocities
each arp has up to 4 sub patterns (A B C D), means you can make complex melodies of 4x 32notes
hundreds of ARP presets to chose from
export the arp patterns as midi file
• up to 8 Step SQ Modules:

contour, decay, gate time, editable step lengths and velocity
perfectly synces Step SQ
Can be quickly used as TranceGate effect
does not click
stereo mode (L/R)
comes with many presets, even such as sidechain simulations, rhythmic gates etc...

• up to 8 Mod Envelope Modules:

free configurable envelopes, add as many points as you like
can also be in sync mode (quarter/triplet) to create moving and unique patterns
countless trigger modes, such as firt/last notes, arpeggio, bassdrum from drum SQ etc
can oneshot, loop, loop with release phase, ping pong etc...

• up to 8 Pitch Envelope Modules:

BiPolar Pitch envelope where you can add as many additional points as you like
sync and trigger modes like in the Mod Envelope
portamento modes: normal, poly, legato and poly legato (yes)
with custom depth and portamento pitch curve
editable Pitchbend lag time

• up to 5 AMP Modules:

OSCs can be routet in different AMP Modules:
each AMP module has its own (analog) AHDSR envelope, but can be triggered from other env sources, such as MOD Envelope, too
spike parameter, which REALLY spikes this time.
volume / Pan / Keytrack
stereo spread parameter

• up to 5 FILTER Modules Master Filter Module:

paralell filtering and complex filter routing is possible
OSCs can be routet in different FILTER Modules
each FILTER module has its own (analog) AHDSR envelope, but can be triggered from other env sources, such as MOD Envelope, too
at the moment 47 Filtertypes, all basic filter types as well as analog filter, comb filter, talking/vowel filters, peakfilters, fm/crush, TB filter etc...
resonance type selectable: additive or volume compensated
each filter has Drive, Drive oversampled and a neat Comb filter

• up to 5 SHAPER Modules:

the Shaper modules add distortion (per voice!) for each osc which is routet into it
at the moment 17 unique distortion models
two pre distortion EQ bands to shape the distortion tone
stereo split mode
can be pre or post FILTER or AMP modules

• up to 5 LFO Modules:

17 LFO Shapes to chose from 3 freely drawable shapes
fade in / delay
change offset (y axis) phase (x axis)
countless trigger modes, such as firt/last notes, arpeggio, bassdrum from drum SQ etc
of course syncable (normal, triplet, dotted), with extra long LFO times

• Drum Sequencer:

dedicated drum sequencer for the drumkits with up to 16 bars
can also play drumloops in a perfect, transient conserving timestretch or turntable mode
can do drum ratchets with many velocity presets
swap drumsamples or loops on the fly with your own samples or from all installed expansions
bit/rate reducer for every drumslot
loops can use a built in sidechain effect
pitch and amp envelopes for all drumslots
triplet or quarter mode
complex looping functions for drumloops
each note has velocity, pan, pitch or gate time
multiple selection tool: draw a box and select multiple notes, delete them, move them (with cursor arrows up/down/left/right) or st the velocity for all at once
many special modes: flip, reverse, mirror, copy/fill blocks etc


• OSC Quantizer:

designed after the (eurorack) modular world
locks and quantizes your oscillators to a specific scale (many scale presets to chose from, or do your own scales)
this is essential for creating random-like, self playing presets with random melodies and rhythms
many features and trigger options (sync trigger to an arp or a fixed grid)
automatic midi follow or fixed scales
ability to glide between quantized pitches
4 different patterns (which you can switch via modulation)

• powerful routing system:

add new modules and re-arrange the order the signal passes the modules for each OSC
apply send FX
complex filter routings
graphic routing help system: rightclick on a module in the OSC routing diagram lets a cross-hair apear, to show you where this module is located in the GUI

• unique new Modmatrix system:

"Drag and Drop" creation of ModMatrix entries. Just drag a source and drop it to any target you want on the GUI
"grouped" mod matrix. Means you can change all modmatrix assigments with 1 click to a LFO assignment for example
" " (additive) or "%" (percentage) modes
lag parameter. Smoothens the modulation, giving it inertia (for wha wha etc...)
modulation shape (create linear or logarithmic modulations)
cool new mod sources, such as PORTAMENTO glide (for example open the filter with the glide movement)
almost everything in VPS Avenger can be connected and modulated

• MACRO Controllers:

All Factory presets are pre-routet with cool modulations on these Macro Controllers
12 Macro knobs
8 Macro buttons

• up to 6 free routable FX busses:

4 Insert FX Racks with 8 FX slots each
Send FX Rack
Master FX Rack
like in your DAW you can route the FX into each other
You can route past the Master FX bus. For example can everything be compressed and limited on the Master Bus, except the Bassdrum, which will be dry routet to the output
at the moment 34 FX types: Q4ntum multi FX Delay, BitBite, Env. Follower, RutaVerb, normal Delay, ArtsAcoustic Reverb, Trashverb, V-Verb, Room Sim, Impulse Response Reverb (with new IRs!), Gated Rev, Flanger, Chorus, Phaser, Multimod, Ministop (Tapestop!), Minichain (Sidechain), Bitcrusher, Distotion, Fuzzbox, Multiband Dist, Vinylizer, Waveshaper, Limiter, Compressor, Stereo Matrix, 4Band Equalizer, Multiband Limiter, Vintage Chorus, Vintage Flanger, Vintage Phaser, Rotary Simulation, Ensemble ARP, Ensemble 330
each FX type comes with many many presets.

• Wavetable Envelope / Editor:

specialized envelope for all wavetables
can oneshot, pingpong, loop. Global or per voice
"wobble" pattern generator. Unique new system, which lets you multiply, revese or flip the envelope with a pattern
Fade in / outs, zoom, normalize, reverse for wavetables

• further features:

Mixer Page: all busses and tracks at once for mixing and levelling
keyzones / velzones: create complex key and velocity zones with fade ins/outs for each OSC / drums
support for MIDI foot pedals, breath controller etc. For example: with one click assign your expression pedal to move the modwheel or the sustain pedal to control the release / any other parameter
global shuffle factor: All shuffles (ARP, StepSQ, DrumSQ etc) are linked to each other
parameter lock: lock your shuffle, volume or filter settings during preset change
powerful UNDO function: whatever you did, it can be UNDOne with 1 click
real monophonic mode: multiple notes wont kill your original now when released. You will notice this immediately when playing
Tooltips explaining each parameter (can be turned off)
customizable INIT preset
navigate with cursor keys through the library
export your current OSC shape with 1 click. Whenever you created new and cool waveforms you can add them into your library as a new OSC shape.

• Graphic / Librarian / Browser:

new overhauled 2.0 GUI
easy to use preset selector, Favourites, own expansions (with icons)
Tag Cloud for every preset... tag based seach system
File Browser for importing own drums, multisamples, shapes or wavetables
VPS Avenger will come with more than 750 high quality presets from all genres
GUI open for skinning / many different skins contained - more are available from 3rd parties.
runs ultra smoothly in 60hz
resizable skin in realtime - just resize it like a Windows window (if supported by host)
everything is displayed in realtime, the waveform changes, the knob modulations etc. The presets come to life visually.




OSC GENERATORS:

• classic VA Synthesesis
Regular synthesis with saw, square, sine, noise, tri etc... 7x Supersaw in cobination with 5x chorder module and sub osc (all PER OSC!), sounding wonderfully analog and fat.

• Oscillator Shapes:
You can import and convert ANY 1 cycle waveform sample into an Oscillator shape. Once the waveform is imported, you can transform it in every direction possible, 100% alias free.
there are thousands of hand selected shapes to chose from in VPS Avengers factory library. Many emulate the shapes of classic gear or complex digital shapes, dubstep screams, real instruments etc...

• Freeform:
You can freely draw your own OSC shapes. Use a pencil or draw lines, use smoothening parameters or normalize, fade in/outs as help to create every shape you can imagine.

• Wavetable Synthesis:
if you stack up to 128 Oscillator Shapes you will have a Wavetable. Wavetables can be morphed seamleassy and have their own powerful editor and morphing envelopes
VPS Avengers factory library will come with more than 600 top notch wavetables, ranging from all kind of synthesis tricks, vocals, harmonic/disharmonic spectrals, FM or real instrument morphs. Of yourse you can load and create your
own wavetables.

• Resample:
Basically this is a wavetable editor, this Synthesis mode lets you cycle through long wave files, to explore microscopic grains as an OSC source.

• Multisamples:
Each of VPS Avengers 8 Oscillators can also be a Multisample player. With our new "Sample Stacker" feature you can layer up to 4 multisamples in each OSC module with 1 click. VPS Avenger comes with a huge library of more than 1000 Multisamples, ranging from
pianos & organs, synths, real instruments, voices etc. Furthermore there are 2 special Sample Sources: Attack Clicks and Organic Noises which are great layer additions.

• Drumkits and Drumloops:
This are real drumkits with their own drum edit page and a exclusive new Drum Sequencer. VPS Avenger comes with more than 160 Drumkits from all possible genres, while each drumkit holds 12 perfectly mixed and matches
drumsamples. Furthermore each drumkit has its own Drum Sequencer pattern. You can Change the Kits or the Pattern seperately, which gives you endless combinations. Of course you can create your own kits by filling it with normal drum samples. With version 2.0 there is also drumloop support and a completely overhauled drum browser.
• Granular Synthesis:

Every OSC can be a full granular module: Load one of the many granular samples from the factory sounds into it ot drag and drop your own samples Explore the sample being played back in hundreds of small grains. Pitch, spread, reverse these grains, play forward, backward or in whatever speed or direction your want by using our internal powerful granular envelope. Insane and unlimited possibilites - and a lot of fun!

• Spectral Synthesis:

You can switch from granular mode to spectral mode. Working similar, but without "grains". This mode uses an FFT / timefreeze algorithm for smooth and wonderful cloudy control over your sample. There is even a "spectral expander" to heavily compress certain frequency areas. you can also all a reverb like smear (overlapping bands) and you can chose from 8 different spectral algorithms.

• Single Loop / Timestretch:

You can Just drop your own ".wav" loops here or use the huge granular library. You will have an absolute clear sounding timestretch with formant control and transient detection, all automatically syncing to your host BPM. Z-Plane Elastique Audio provides you with unmatched timestretching quality. You will also have many effect options such as octave blends, stereo width control, phaser and half/double tempo adds.

• Real FM synthesis:

Avengers easy but powerful FM & AM engine let you create your wildest FM fantasies: Modulate to countless FM shapes, your own custom FM shapes or "cross frequency-modulate" with other oscillators, or other oscillators, which have been cross modulated with other FM sources. Highly flexible, complex but easy to handle and - if you wish - we also have an "alias free FM mode"

• Feedback Synthesis:

Avengers' perfectly tuned new comb filter gives you the possibility of feedback / string simulation synthesis: Use short pluck samples as resonator impulses for guitar string like sounds or use waveforms with strong feedback for screaming sounds. Add a shaper module for further control and more interesting frequency spectrums or stack two or more comb filter modules for complete feedback mayhem!

• Guitar Player / Chord Detection Module

A live loop guitar player! There is a growing factory library and specialized expansion packs, providing you with many real "live played" guitar loops, which automatically will follow the chords you play (min/maj etc.). You can also create your own guitar kits. The perfect accompanist for your live playing or sequences!





Features (short) and numbers:

VST / PC & Intel Mac VST / AU & AAX - runs in all compatible hosts
64 Bit and VST3 standard (64Bit is required!)
over 1180 factory presets
audio preview from presets (hear how the preset sounds before loading it)
a free full expansion pack "Synthstruments" (with many nature/classic imitations based on wavetable synthesis)
735 multisamples
230 special samples (attacks, noises)
154 resampler waves
182 drumkits, 182 drumsequences, 1500 drumloops
610 wavetables
243 granular samples
55 guitar multiloops
thousands of OSC shapes (waveforms) available
34 FX types (incl. Vintage Chorus, Reverb, Phaser, Rotary etc. from ArtsAcoustic)
47 Filtertypes
up to 1000 playing oscs with one note possible - no artificial limits!
resampling / wavetable generator built in
freeform OSCs. Draw your own waveforms
alias free OSCs, Wavetables, FM and AM modulation
powerful and easy drag and drop mod matrix
resizable vectorized GUI (4k ready)
undo feature
comfortable preset search system / tag cloud
8 arps, drumsequencer, 8 step sqs, 18 envelope generators
16 individually routable sub outs into your DAW's mixer
macro controllers assigned in each preset, for quick sound changes
external midi controllers and pedals support
free routable fx busses and send effects
customizable lfos, 4 shaper modules (distortion units on OSC level)
many unisono features: chorder and our own invented "V-Saw" supersaw
key- and velocityzones
import your own (multi)samples, drums, wavetables or OSC waveforms
MIDI learn function (connect your external MIDI gear with Avenger)