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sonarkiss wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:36 am
dayjob wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:08 pm
sonarkiss wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 10:30 am "Genopatch Technology, Genopatch crafts synth patches from audio recordings, using AI to find optimal synth settings based on your source sample."



It's really game changer, 2 FM OSC mimic everything and possibilities are endless.
Is it possible to bring such a feature with Zebra 3?
if you want that just use synplant 2. i don't know why people expect every synth to be the same w/the same features. synplant 2 is a really specific kind of thing. i don't expect or want Zebra3 to be anything like that.

Urs has talked about various features and focus in this and other threads. if you go through bit by but and read his posts you can see where Zebra3 is headed.
Synapse Audio also have added the new Genetics function to their synths.
The Genetics function creates new patches out of existing ones, a very useful tool to obtain sound variations or entirely new sounds.

It would be good feature to consider and It won't be in his way.
"patch genetics" has been around a long time. the editor for the DSI evolver had it. you could "marry" two parents and they would spawn 128 variations with "traits" split between the mother/father patches.

absynth's mutator function, nord modular G2 mutator function.. mutation is fun. randomizers are fun. whatever Urs does w/Zebra3 will be fun.

but what Synplant does is something else. it's using ai or machine learning or whatever tf it is to synthesize the loaded sample with its own synth engine. I don't know how well the modular nature and synth engine of Zebra would lend itself to that scenario but i don't know about such things... i don't know how simple or difficult it would be to plug something like that into Zebra.. but i know it took Sonic Charge a good long time to do it. also, Urs seems to have pretty good idea of what he wants Zebra3 to be.. and i'm more than interested in seeing whatever that is... w/o a bunch of feature creep.

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Tbh, I prefer to have Z3 asap, rather than afap (f for full)

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The one thing that AI lacks the most is the one thing that's least expected from computers: Logic. I think, if an AI software came up with a Zebra preset you'd have a dozen things do what two or three things would be sufficient to do. The resulting presets would be very difficult to understand and tweak. They would lack the elegance of a Howard Scarr preset.

At this point of time we are developing Zebra to be operated by humans.

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sonarkiss wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:36 am
dayjob wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:08 pm
sonarkiss wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 10:30 am "Genopatch Technology, Genopatch crafts synth patches from audio recordings, using AI to find optimal synth settings based on your source sample."



It's really game changer, 2 FM OSC mimic everything and possibilities are endless.
Is it possible to bring such a feature with Zebra 3?
if you want that just use synplant 2. i don't know why people expect every synth to be the same w/the same features. synplant 2 is a really specific kind of thing. i don't expect or want Zebra3 to be anything like that.

Urs has talked about various features and focus in this and other threads. if you go through bit by but and read his posts you can see where Zebra3 is headed.
Synapse Audio also have added the new Genetics function to their synths.
The Genetics function creates new patches out of existing ones, a very useful tool to obtain sound variations or entirely new sounds.

It would be good feature to consider and It won't be in his way.
I agree :hyper:

Even ancient Absynth has a great random/mutate feature.

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Urs wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:16 am I think, if an AI software came up with a Zebra preset you'd have a dozen things do what two or three things would be sufficient to do.
Oh, so basically one of my Zebra patches :lol:

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

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But how's Z3 tho?

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jtsterays wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:34 pm But how's Z3 tho?
I made a funny bug where on Windows everything would become triangles (the geometric shape, not the percussion instrument).

We're in pretty deep conceptual talks right now, where UI/UX design and I throw balls at each other.

Also, Loom 2 is on special right now, which - I gotta say - has sparked my ambition to create a purely additive render mode for the Z3 oscillator. Shout out to AIR, Loom 2 is a really good companion that may keep you all busy while we finish up.

(Do *not* expect anything like Loom in Z3, depth-wise... I have found some elegant concepts to get into similar sonic worlds, but they're all related to the concepts and designs available in Z3, like OscFX to shape overtone gains and curves to manipulate spectral distortion)

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Loom does indeed make good use of altering "spectra" in fun, intuitive ways. I always thought it was one of AIR's better offerings. Additive is definitely best executed with broad brushstrokes and not something I care to dive deep into.

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Mmmh, what is Loom ?

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robisme wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:19 am Mmmh, what is Loom ?
https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/ ... 54-Loom-II

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koalaboy wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:31 am
robisme wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:19 am Mmmh, what is Loom ?
https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/ ... 54-Loom-II
Ok, I thought it was a new u-He synth. Missunderstood.

Urs, do you think we are gonna play with an alpha-beta version of Zebralette for Chrismas ?

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That's getting a little tight... I'm hoping for NAMM in January as a realistic goal...

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Urs wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:47 pm Also, Loom 2 is on special right now, which - I gotta say - has sparked my ambition to create a purely additive render mode for the Z3 oscillator. Shout out to AIR, Loom 2 is a really good companion that may keep you all busy while we finish up.
Ugh, Loom II is a huge disappointment here. Air claim to be working on Apple Silicon compatibility, but their line up just shows up as new instruments based on the old ones that are compatible with the MPC hardware.

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Well, it's like 10€ right now...

I agree it is super dated in many usability aspects though (UI size, preset browsing... ugh...), I personally dislike iLok and the user guide is anaemic at best. It feels like an abandoned product, which I think is reflected in the current sales price.

However, the concept IMHO is still brilliant and some of the sonic results are impressive. I mean what I said, exploring Loom 2 was the nudge I needed to implement a special option in Zebra's upcoming oscillators - one that allows for individual frequency control of each harmonic. The results are quite similar even if the method and UI to get there are completely different.

For 10 bucks, I'd still recommend it even if it's, well, apparently not an up-to-date product anymore.

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