UAD still worth it?

[gaggle of hermits]

well, jamcat certainly likes it.

I think you can get perfectly good results out of a good many of the other options - I’ve got the Uad but I didn’t think it was all that and a bag of chips compared to mjuc or the puigchild. I haven’t tried the overloud but their stuff is usually perfectly fine.

[martinjuenke]

Here’s the thing. For someone learning, theres lots of territory to cover (including hard learned lessons about needlessly buying because of a sale price).

If the intent is to build a foundation, it’s much easier doing so when there are well know audio examples of when something (insert brand name) was used.

are you saying jamcat is a beginner? seems a little judgmental. but ok.

That’s what the link previously posted was for. Additionally search engines are your friend. If you’re asking why I responded that it might depend on the country it’s because that same Justia site shows one seemingly vacated trademark started in 2003 and then an older one in different country.

I’ve done as much work on this one as I care too. So if that makes you feel like a winner, knock yourself and I hope you treat yourself to some classic Miami Vice episodes

Actually…ackshully, if you read my earlier post you’ll see I point out Manley got the trademark for Variable Mu in the US anyway, with a little aside on the shenanigans they pulled to get it. search engines obviously help but reading is more helpful. Ackshully.

but you decided to go after vari-mu. Unlucky

thanks for playing. Be sure to stop by the gift shop on the way out

How is it unlucky if you’re correcting me to tell me that I was right?

right about what, exactly?

the irony of this is not lost on me, dr projection: “So if that makes you feel like a winner, knock yourself and I hope you treat yourself to some classic Miami Vice episodes”

Seventh level

[gaggle of hermits]

Seventh level

nah, still six. the forum software ninja-edits nested quotes.

[jens]

are you saying jamcat is a beginner? seems a little judgmental. but ok.

That’s what the link previously posted was for. Additionally search engines are your friend. If you’re asking why I responded that it might depend on the country it’s because that same Justia site shows one seemingly vacated trademark started in 2003 and then an older one in different country.

I’ve done as much work on this one as I care too. So if that makes you feel like a winner, knock yourself and I hope you treat yourself to some classic Miami Vice episodes

Actually…ackshully, if you read my earlier post you’ll see I point out Manley got the trademark for Variable Mu in the US anyway, with a little aside on the shenanigans they pulled to get it. search engines obviously help but reading is more helpful. Ackshully.

but you decided to go after vari-mu. Unlucky

thanks for playing. Be sure to stop by the gift shop on the way out

How is it unlucky if you’re correcting me to tell me that I was right?

right about what, exactly?

the irony of this is not lost on me, dr projection: “So if that makes you feel like a winner, knock yourself and I hope you treat yourself to some classic Miami Vice episodes”

Seventh level

I see your seven and raise you an eight...

[Scotty]

I was thinking… no VST can really do justice to the Fairchild so I think I'll pick one up… this one looks good. What you think? https://retrogearshop.com/products/fair ... vP5cyK6Ix0

[Uncle E]

That’s what the link previously posted was for. Additionally search engines are your friend. If you’re asking why I responded that it might depend on the country it’s because that same Justia site shows one seemingly vacated trademark started in 2003 and then an older one in different country.

I’ve done as much work on this one as I care too. So if that makes you feel like a winner, knock yourself and I hope you treat yourself to some classic Miami Vice episodes

Actually…ackshully, if you read my earlier post you’ll see I point out Manley got the trademark for Variable Mu in the US anyway, with a little aside on the shenanigans they pulled to get it. search engines obviously help but reading is more helpful. Ackshully.

but you decided to go after vari-mu. Unlucky

thanks for playing. Be sure to stop by the gift shop on the way out

How is it unlucky if you’re correcting me to tell me that I was right?

right about what, exactly?

the irony of this is not lost on me, dr projection: “So if that makes you feel like a winner, knock yourself and I hope you treat yourself to some classic Miami Vice episodes”

Seventh level

I see your seven and raise you an eight...

Dante would like a word with you...

[ghettosynth]

I was thinking… no VST can really do justice to the Fairchild so I think I'll pick one up… this one looks good. What you think? https://retrogearshop.com/products/fair ... vP5cyK6Ix0

What a bargain. Too bad they don't have more than one.

[gaggle of hermits]

I was thinking… no VST can really do justice to the Fairchild so I think I'll pick one up… this one looks good. What you think? https://retrogearshop.com/products/fair ... vP5cyK6Ix0

what a swizz, you don't even get the valves.

j/k - they're probably fried anyway. I think bob olhsson pointed out on gearspace some years back that Motown re-tubed its Fairchilds every six months. the reason being: to get the all-important 6386 valves to operate in the right zone, you basically have to run them hot enough to cook dinner on the unit. it's basically a space heater that processes audio. this is not good for tube life expectancy.

so you kinda wind up with a ship of Theseus issue, particularly as the supply of original 6386s dried up in the early 90s. this is what forced Manley to stop using them after its first batches of the Variable Mu to the point that their designs are no longer "proper" vari-mu (in that they don't use vari-mu tubes like the 6386)...which ironically allowed them to obtain the trademark Variable Mu via some lawyery shenanigans and an apparent loophole in USPTO rules on trademarking generic terms. (this, frankly, is a travesty but y'know, USPTO gonna USPTO and lawyers gonna lawyer.)

but anyhoo, you can now buy new 6386s, except it seems people complain that the JJ brand ones "aren't the same" though this might be fud. I think (though I'm far from certain) the NOS ones are recovered from old military rf gear and some people complain about things like microphonics in those because they weren't selected for audio (and in reality they were never designed for audio - Rein Narma just realised they could go into his vinyl cutter design successfully).

then you've got the capacitors which are the core of the release circuit. the programme-dependent bit relies on two in parallel which charge up in loud sections and so deliver the expected behaviour. I don't know but I'd guess tolerances here across the two paths delivers a lot of the variation in the time constant behaviour. so replacing those could be an issue, though if you've plonked 300 grand down on a compressor, you're probably up for hand-matching some capacitors.

...or you could just buy a new heritage, analoguetube or telefunken and fuggedaboutit. or use another emulation in the expectation that, really, it's the behaviour you want and a touch of saturation.

addendum. to help elxsound with their lingo policing:

swizz - from swizzle, 18th Century
fuggedaboutit - probably popularised by the honeymooners, 1950s.
plonked - late 19th Century.
lingo - 17th Century

[psycho45039]

A cheaper new hardware version.

https://www.audio-scape.com/products/vc ... compressor

[gaggle of hermits]

A cheaper new hardware version.

https://www.audio-scape.com/products/vc ... compressor

that is pretty cheap all things considered. but the purists ain't gonna like it. it's just the one valve vs the four 6386s that are ganged-up (two each in a push-pull arrangement, IIRC) in the original ostensibly to reduce distortion. that's not to say the distortion is bound to be worse with this one: like the manley designs, they've probably changed a lot of the control circuitry to compensate.

but considering a jj tube on its own is a couple hundred bucks, they're not making big margins on it.

[Uncle E]

Considering that my Stamchild with its 18 tubes didn’t sound appreciably better than the UAD plugin, I’m going to pass on this one.

[Mind Riot]

A cheaper new hardware version.

https://www.audio-scape.com/products/vc ... compressor

Good thing they have free shipping. If I'm buying a $1400 piece of hardware and they throw a $30 shipping charge on top I'm walking.

[gjunk]

In case anyone is wondering I recently found out on Mac you can disable the UA Connect app appearing in your menu bar every time you open a project using a UA plugin by deleting the app/changing its name

[jamcat]

Sometimes it alerts you to new updates, and installs them.

[PAK]

Sometimes it alerts you to new updates, and installs them.

Yep, and it has no problem doing this whilst you’re in the middle of using them in your host! Worse, it’ll also try to update iLok drivers too which, if you accept, will stop the plugins functioning in the host until you restart it.

It's done this to me more than once, which earned it a renaming. Just rename every once in a while to check for updates manually.