VPS Avenger 2.4 [RELEASED - FAQ in OP]

[tapekiller]

As a sidenote, I've been using Current a lot lately cause I had different needs (like chaining fm while also having these oscillators on, which for some strange reason is not allowed in avenger by design) and I could have used some restrictions (which, imo, stimulate creativity because you work around said limitations). Ben sent me the upcoming version of Current that solves an issue I had, all in less than a day.

Seconded your sentiments about Current. I still think out of all the big workhorse type synth plugins Avenger has the best mix of being super capable and fairly frictionless but I just find Current a joy to use. Those guys at Minimal can really design a UI. Their sub osc module is brilliant. I can just sit and design drums on that thing for hours.

Yup, the sub module by itself is great, I use that one more than the two oscillators, which I usually use as FM oscillators.
You could try making something similar with Avenger although it would take quite few modulations to emulate the detune and mod knobs behaviour.
That's without even taking into account the harmonic tilting which, with Avenger's limitation (some of which are quite odd, like the inability of setting numeric values in any parameter), would mean the only clever way to do that would be using the remaining third macro knob and assigning it to a keytracked bandpass filter to emulate some sort of tilt while also having to lowering the overall volume of the harmonics while the tilt is flat. Doable, but pointless.

With only three oscillators (you can assign alternating harmonics to the second and third one) you can try to sorta emulate the logic behind it and of course it's good just to stretch your mental muscles a bit but it's otherwise pointless. The matrix would look something like this (I separated the lfo rate, and tied an additional spread to the detune amount, among adding a boost for it).

matrixsub.PNG

In case you want to play with the preset

currentsub.zip

[Jac459]

As a sidenote, I've been using Current a lot lately cause I had different needs (like chaining fm while also having these oscillators on, which for some strange reason is not allowed in avenger by design) and I could have used some restrictions (which, imo, stimulate creativity because you work around said limitations). Ben sent me the upcoming version of Current that solves an issue I had, all in less than a day.

Seconded your sentiments about Current. I still think out of all the big workhorse type synth plugins Avenger has the best mix of being super capable and fairly frictionless but I just find Current a joy to use. Those guys at Minimal can really design a UI. Their sub osc module is brilliant. I can just sit and design drums on that thing for hours.

Yup, the sub module by itself is great, I use that one more than the two oscillators, which I usually use as FM oscillators.
You could try making something similar with Avenger although it would take quite few modulations to emulate the detune and mod knobs behaviour.
That's without even taking into account the harmonic tilting which, with Avenger's limitation (some of which are quite odd, like the inability of setting numeric values in any parameter), would mean the only clever way to do that would be using the remaining third macro knob and assigning it to a keytracked bandpass filter to emulate some sort of tilt while also having to lowering the overall volume of the harmonics while the tilt is flat. Doable, but pointless.

With only three oscillators (you can assign alternating harmonics to the second and third one) you can try to sorta emulate the logic behind it and of course it's good just to stretch your mental muscles a bit but it's otherwise pointless. The matrix would look something like this (I separated the lfo rate, and tied an additional spread to the detune amount, among adding a boost for it).

In case you want to play with the preset

currentsub.zip

Funny one mate, thanks for sharing...
I also like the sub... Can be fun also to create drumkicks and add harmonics on it.

[tapekiller]

Funny one mate, thanks for sharing...
I also like the sub... Can be fun also to create drumkicks and add harmonics on it.

Anytime! I mostly do percussive basses with it playing with harmonics tilt with an envelope. You can get pretty wild stuff with little to no mouse hand labor if you know what to put your hands on.

Back on topic now before we get a warning haha

[Razzia]

As a sidenote, I've been using Current a lot lately cause I had different needs (like chaining fm while also having these oscillators on, which for some strange reason is not allowed in avenger by design) and I could have used some restrictions (which, imo, stimulate creativity because you work around said limitations). Ben sent me the upcoming version of Current that solves an issue I had, all in less than a day.

Seconded your sentiments about Current. I still think out of all the big workhorse type synth plugins Avenger has the best mix of being super capable and fairly frictionless but I just find Current a joy to use. Those guys at Minimal can really design a UI. Their sub osc module is brilliant. I can just sit and design drums on that thing for hours.

Yup, the sub module by itself is great, I use that one more than the two oscillators, which I usually use as FM oscillators.
You could try making something similar with Avenger although it would take quite few modulations to emulate the detune and mod knobs behaviour.
That's without even taking into account the harmonic tilting which, with Avenger's limitation (some of which are quite odd, like the inability of setting numeric values in any parameter), would mean the only clever way to do that would be using the remaining third macro knob and assigning it to a keytracked bandpass filter to emulate some sort of tilt while also having to lowering the overall volume of the harmonics while the tilt is flat. Doable, but pointless.

With only three oscillators (you can assign alternating harmonics to the second and third one) you can try to sorta emulate the logic behind it and of course it's good just to stretch your mental muscles a bit but it's otherwise pointless. The matrix would look something like this (I separated the lfo rate, and tied an additional spread to the detune amount, among adding a boost for it).

matrixsub.PNG

In case you want to play with the preset

currentsub.zip

Very clever. You guys consistently show me I've got a lot to learn. Or maybe it would be more accurate to say, there's a lot beyond the explicit functions of a synth that I could be taking advantage of if it occurred to me.

Sidenote, I've been out of the loop for a while and I just realized they added a button to expand the mod matrix. Hallelujah. I've been hoping for that one for a while.

[Jac459]

Sidenote, I've been out of the loop for a while and I just realized they added a button to expand the mod matrix. Hallelujah. I've been hoping for that one for a while.

I return you the compliment. Got avenger 2 when it released but I was a lot on holidays since then. Noticed about this modmatrix thanks to you. Yeahhhh.

[Hanz Meyzer]

Guys, I can't see any hint in the Avenger V2 changelog as you mentioned since version 2.05 that indicates a cpu spike fix... I almost was about to buy the upgrade, 80 bucks is not the end of the world. In 2.02 there is a cpu usage fix mentioned, if you use automation, but only then.

This makes me again pretty angry, why is it not possible to post official information here, and why you guys seem to post fake news non-stop here? What a lame community is this here? If you guys have so little clue about software and computers, are not able to do the easiest performance tests or screenshots properly, maybe it is better for you if you sell all those magic devices and use pencil and paper again from now on, since you harm humanity.

I won't buy avenger 2, if it is still cpu spiking at the same level or worse as V1. If it is better, I would buy it. Only because of that!

[noiseboyuk]

Guys, I can't see any hint in the Avenger V2 changelog as you mentioned since version 2.05 that indicates a cpu spike fix... I almost was about to buy the upgrade, 80 bucks is not the end of the world. In 2.02 there is a cpu usage fix mentioned, if you use automation, but only then.

This makes me again pretty angry, why is it not possible to post official information here, and why you guys seem to post fake news non-stop here? What a lame community is this here? If you guys have so little clue about software and computers, are not able to do the easiest performance tests or screenshots properly, maybe it is better for you if you sell all those magic devices and use pencil and paper again from now on, since you harm humanity.

I won't buy avenger 2, if it is still cpu spiking at the same level or worse as V1. If it is better, I would buy it. Only because of that!

Seems pretty wild to denounce a company for a missing changelog entry, but I do agree that they should make this important change documented.

Open question - am I right in saying that everyone who had the issue has it resolved in 2.0.5? Is there anyone out there on 2.0.5 who still does have the problem? I know there are other CPU issues some have had, I mean specifically the spiking even when idle?

[tapekiller]

There's a lot beyond the explicit functions of a synth that I could be taking advantage of if it occurred to me.

Yeah, on top of that the most interesting stuff comes out when trying to work around limitations. In this case, having to separate each set of harmonics allows you to think out of the box and push you to go further, like for example spreading them separately to widen a sub without messing with its fundamental frequency.

Sidenote, I've been out of the loop for a while and I just realized they added a button to expand the mod matrix. Hallelujah. I've been hoping for that one for a while.

I'm not using Avenger 2, that was added a long while ago because working with the small box was honestly a pain so big thanks to Rene for implementing that.
Having a preset browser bigger that something you would actually need to really put a good synth to work was a bit hilarious.

[msvs]

@Hanz We post "its fixed", when it also works on the most non-Avenger-compatible computer in the world. And since that seems to be yours, please mail me in private, we are glad to send you a version to test it.

[tapekiller]

Guys, I can't see any hint in the Avenger V2 changelog as you mentioned since version 2.05 that indicates a cpu spike fix... I almost was about to buy the upgrade, 80 bucks is not the end of the world. In 2.02 there is a cpu usage fix mentioned, if you use automation, but only then.

This makes me again pretty angry, why is it not possible to post official information here, and why you guys seem to post fake news non-stop here? What a lame community is this here? If you guys have so little clue about software and computers, are not able to do the easiest performance tests or screenshots properly, maybe it is better for you if you sell all those magic devices and use pencil and paper again from now on, since you harm humanity.

I won't buy avenger 2, if it is still cpu spiking at the same level or worse as V1. If it is better, I would buy it. Only because of that!

The problem is that they should fix v1 too. They can leave it alone feature wise but it's still a product people paid for (twice in my case, because back when it released you had to send emails to support to deactivate a machine and I have three always on the ready).
Upgrading for features is ok, you choose what you need and spend accordingly.
Being stuck with bugs and performance issues that stay there as an incentive to spend 120 euros is definitely not ok.

My heart goes to the poor sods that got baited into buying v1 with the 50% discount just to sit on abandonware few weeks after, unless they upgrade and end up spending more than buying the discounted avenger2, or spending just as much as the retail price.

[msvs]

My heart goes to the poor sods that got baited into buying v1 with the 50% discount just to sit on abandonware few weeks after, unless they upgrade and end up spending more than buying the discounted avenger2, or spending just as much as the retail price.

there was a grace period of 3 months and 6 months (Xps), so they got it for free.

[tapekiller]

My heart goes to the poor sods that got baited into buying v1 with the 50% discount just to sit on abandonware few weeks after, unless they upgrade and end up spending more than buying the discounted avenger2, or spending just as much as the retail price.

there was a grace period of 3 months and 6 months (Xps), so they got it for free.

Good to hear, would have been cheaper to get an extra v2 license that way for less than a hundred euros than upgrading now without the discound (I know the christmas sale is still on, but retail price is 120)

[Jac459]

...

Open question - am I right in saying that everyone who had the issue has it resolved in 2.0.5? Is there anyone out there on 2.0.5 who still does have the problem? I know there are other CPU issues some have had, I mean specifically the spiking even when idle?

Nobody answering makes it quite clear...

But to be even clearer, I was having a little issue with the v1 (no deal breaker as some try to say but basically recognisable spikes). These issues have disappeared with v2.0.5 (comparing the same presets between v1 and v2).

[Jac459]

...

The problem is that they should fix v1 too. They can leave it alone feature wise but it's still a product people paid for (twice in my case, because back when it released you had to send emails to support to deactivate a machine and I have three always on the ready).
Upgrading for features is ok, you choose what you need and spend accordingly.
Being stuck with bugs and performance issues that stay there as an incentive to spend 120 euros is definitely not ok.

...

The v1 always had these spikes and it has never been a blocking point for all the client of Avenger v1....
Just do some music and stop finding excuses.

Would I have preferred the v1 to have better CPU usage ? Yes.
Was it an issue in a day to day basis for using Avenger ? No, absolutely not.
Should they stop focusing on developing v2 and spend their energy on v1? Hell no ! (even proposing that is ridiculous in my view...).

[Jac459]

Good to hear, would have been cheaper to get an extra v2 license that way for less than a hundred euros than upgrading now without the discound (I know the christmas sale is still on, but retail price is 120)

Well, this is a principle of life that the more you wait to buy a product, the more chance you have to pay less for it. What are you trying to say ? Are you also blaming all companies doing discount ?