Most-tolerated Genre?

[Bombadil]

Exceptions test the rule. How can an exception prove a rule as it is ipso facto an 'exception?'
In the original Latin, of course.

[ghettosynth]

Exceptions test the rule. How can an exception prove a rule as it is ipso facto an 'exception?'
In the original Latin, of course.

In a legal sense, exceptions prove that a rule exists. For example, from wikipedia:

For example, the inference in a shop from a sign saying "pre-paid delivery required for refrigerators" would be that pre-paid delivery is not required for other objects. In this case, the exception of refrigerators proves the existence of a rule that pre-paid delivery is not required.

Not that this does not defend Bones absurd propostion. There could be another sign next to the washing machines that says the same thing. So now we have two exceptions, this just makes the case stronger that a rule exists.

In this case it's used in a more casual sense..

In many uses of the phrase, however, the existence of an exception is taken to more definitively 'prove' a rule to which the exception does not fit. Under this sense it is "the unusualness of the exception"[2] which proves how prevalent the tendency or rule of thumb to which it runs contrary is. For example: a rural village is "always" quiet. A local farmer rents his fields to a rock festival, which disturbs the quiet. In this example, saying "the exception proves the rule" is in a literal sense incorrect, as the exception shows (first) that the belief is not a rule and (second) there is no 'proof' involved. However, the phrase draws attention to the rarity of the exception, and in so doing establishes the general accuracy of the rule.

This is the sense in question, however, Bones' proposition is still nonsense. A few exceptions are no different than one so long as they are small with respect to the general case, e.g., a rock festival and a stampede could both happen without refuting the general case that the farm is usually quiet.

[Bombadil]

The original Latin verb is 'probere.' To 'test.' It is interpreted both ways, but paradigms must change when there are enough exceptions. I think Popper asserted that.

[Bunny_boy]

Look at Stairway to Heaven - it didn't chart at all in the US or Australia and barely scraped into the Top 40 in the UK, yet it is probably their best known song.

I've got nothing to add to this debate, but as a point of order, Led Zeppelin didn't release any singles in the UK, so StH would've made the top 40 on imports alone.

[ghettosynth]

The original Latin verb is 'probere.' To 'test.' It is interpreted both ways, but paradigms must change when there are enough exceptions. I think Popper asserted that.

Yes, the Wiki article mentions that interpretation, but also states that it's not used that way in practice.

The exception proves the rule is a phrase that arises from ignorance, though common to good writers. The original word was preuves, which did not mean proves but tests.[4]

In this sense, the phrase does not mean that an exception demonstrates a rule to be true or to exist, but that it tests the rule, thereby proving its value. There is little evidence of the phrase being used in this second way.[1][2][5]

[Bombadil]

I'd rather be right than popular!

[ghettosynth]

I'd rather be right than popular!

Right, LOL! I hate the phrase, largely because it is often used as a thought terminating cliche.

[Vortifex]

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[Bombadil]

I'd rather be right than popular!

Right, LOL! I hate the phrase, largely because it is often used as a thought terminating cliche.

Precisely. It grates on me.

[donkey tugger]

100% I agree with the previous poster that appreciation for multiple genres is context related ...

That makes the absurd assumption that any particular genre is only able to complement or suit a limited range of emotions. If you can't find a Rock song or a jazz piece to suit whatever mood you're in, you're just not looking. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that a genre that can't suit whatever mood you're in is a pretty useless genre.

Your assertion is without evidence; regardless, context dependent does not only mean emotional state. People prefer different music for different activities, e.g., driving, dancing, working, etc. If you'd even looked at the links that I provided, this should have been obvious.

Don't get the wrong idea, I'm not arguing with you. There's nothing to argue with. That's why I posted the links, you should read more.

What you, specifically, should take from this, is that given that breadth of appreciation is widely studied, that you should be able to find some evidence to support your theory that those passionate about music must be univores. Good luck.

Except that's not what I have said. How that's not got through your thick skull after I've explained it three f**king times is beyond stupid.

Sure you did, you said:

I find that people with a tolerance for a broad range of music are not normally people with any real passion for music.

I'll let you form the contrapositive, go on, I'll wait.

One imagines a young antipodean chap, perhaps called 'Jones' or something, making his first fumbling forays into the seduction of a young lady. The scene is set; the lights low, the candles lit, a nice meal is cooking, the piss bucket has been emptied over the side of the barge.

Our protagonist, seeking to complete the picture, turns his mind to the soundtrack for this soiree of passion, but then stops.. He turns to the object of his desire, the apple of his eye, his Venus, and pipes up with;

"CONTEXT IS OF NO IMPORTANCE IN MUSIC. WE WILL BE LISTENING TO HEADHUNTER BY FRONT 242, YOU f**king IDIOT."

[Aloysius]

Shania Cobain

[Bunny_boy]

Shania Cobain

Is that Scentless Apprentice to the tune of Man! I Feel Like A Woman, or the other way round?

[eLawnMust]

Pretty much any genre created past 1990 & that's the sugar-coated opinion>>>

[vurt]

100% I agree with the previous poster that appreciation for multiple genres is context related ...

That makes the absurd assumption that any particular genre is only able to complement or suit a limited range of emotions. If you can't find a Rock song or a jazz piece to suit whatever mood you're in, you're just not looking. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that a genre that can't suit whatever mood you're in is a pretty useless genre.

Your assertion is without evidence; regardless, context dependent does not only mean emotional state. People prefer different music for different activities, e.g., driving, dancing, working, etc. If you'd even looked at the links that I provided, this should have been obvious.

Don't get the wrong idea, I'm not arguing with you. There's nothing to argue with. That's why I posted the links, you should read more.

What you, specifically, should take from this, is that given that breadth of appreciation is widely studied, that you should be able to find some evidence to support your theory that those passionate about music must be univores. Good luck.

Except that's not what I have said. How that's not got through your thick skull after I've explained it three f**king times is beyond stupid.

Sure you did, you said:

I find that people with a tolerance for a broad range of music are not normally people with any real passion for music.

I'll let you form the contrapositive, go on, I'll wait.

One imagines a young antipodean chap, perhaps called 'Jones' or something, making his first fumbling forays into the seduction of a young lady. The scene is set; the lights low, the candles lit, a nice meal is cooking, the piss bucket has been emptied over the side of the barge.

Our protagonist, seeking to complete the picture, turns his mind to the soundtrack for this soiree of passion, but then stops.. He turns to the object of his desire, the apple of his eye, his Venus, and pipes up with;

"CONTEXT IS OF NO IMPORTANCE IN MUSIC. WE WILL BE LISTENING TO HEADHUNTER BY FRONT 242, YOU f**king IDIOT."

hope she doesn't need the loo in the night

[harryupbabble]

bones...

not all hit songs compromised integrity
for example, pink floyd's "another brick in the wall"
that reached #1 in billboards chart
and pink floyd isn't exactly a band that compromised?

and it wasn't the "normal" crowd that made nirvana a hit
kurt cobain wasn't a compromiser?

"abnormal" songs like smells like teen spirit do become hit songs
the taylor swift crowd is not the only crowd out there?

steely dan had hit songs
and those two guys weren't compromisers?

and talking heads

tons of hit songs are made by uncompomising people
but not all uncompromising people can make hit songs
hit songs are difficult to achieve
i mean even paul mccartney didn't/doesn't always have hits