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Reaper's worst default settings is also unparalleled.

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nevermind... 8)

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They need to rethink the basic workflow. It is very very not intuitive.

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a9k1tp wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 6:25 am Reaper's worst default settings is also unparalleled.
What do you recommend?

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a9k1tp wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 6:25 am Reaper's worst default settings is also unparalleled.
That is absolutely true in my case and my experience. But once you are up and running (read: painful adaptation and learning how to tweak) - flawless DAW - best investment bar none

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dikrek wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 9:34 am
a9k1tp wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 6:25 am Reaper's worst default settings is also unparalleled.
What do you recommend?
I can tell you right of my silly mind that their mouse left-click behavior in the arrangement view is exactly opposite to every other DAW in existence. You need to read the forum or watch videos to realize that you can tune or change that in something they refer to as "mouse modifiers" if I am not mistaken.

Just that one was a reason for me to uninstall it withing 5 minutes of trying to run things in it - countless times over the years.

Then there is that you select midi notes (select is also skewed in the midi editor until you tweak it to your liking) and you intuitively want to move them with the keyboard left or right arrow (or up and down) but then you realize this is only working with numeric keyboard up and down (something I love today).

And the list goes on.

Let me be clear once again - today I think it is the best DAW there is. But it took me years of installing, uninstalling, and then on my friend's recommendation investing my time to appreciate it.

However, that person is right. Default settings are amazingly different.

I have a theory. They do this intentionally :hihi:

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iTzPrime wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:04 pm What drives me absolutely mad in Reaper is the routing. Why can't i just do a rightclick on output and send it to a bus? Why do I have to do press routing -> uncheck that it sends to master -> select the channel I want to sent it to?
I route things so often, that this is literally a breaker for me.
Bro I was exactly like you on this one. EXAXTLY! Then I saw some youtube video unrelated to this issue and realized you can route with drag and drop :dog:

Routing in Reaper is pretty much the best there is once you get it.

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kmonkey wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 10:16 am
iTzPrime wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:04 pm What drives me absolutely mad in Reaper is the routing. Why can't i just do a rightclick on output and send it to a bus? Why do I have to do press routing -> uncheck that it sends to master -> select the channel I want to sent it to?
I route things so often, that this is literally a breaker for me.
Bro I was exactly like you on this one. EXAXTLY! Then I saw some youtube video unrelated to this issue and realized you can route with drag and drop :dog:

Routing in Reaper is pretty much the best there is once you get it.
Sadly the routing issue is not drag and drop on how i usually route. So i need a few more clicks. So its alt+drag and then shift+click on the tracks selected. This makes it still a bit complicated -.-

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dikrek wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 9:34 am
a9k1tp wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 6:25 am Reaper's worst default settings is also unparalleled.
What do you recommend?
- I recommend changing the default settings to your liking. :party:
- Default theme behavior is also the worst, but the latest theme adjuster is huge help.
- Master track on top is still a pain, they should give us option to keep master track at bottom in the arrange view. Just like we can put master mixer to the right side of mixer view.
- Some settings are not remembered by Reaper, we need to create a default template in order to remember these settings when creating a new project.
- Piano roll is really bad. Need to install a separate script to change grid with zoom in piano roll. If they can do this in Arrange view, why not in Piano roll?

There are many workflow blunders and many scripts needed to search and install in order to make the workflow human friendly.

Overall, great DAW for Mixing and Recording. Bad choice for Production, especially for midi programming (hello EDM and Hip Hop producers :party: ). Studio One, Ableton, Bitwig, Cubase are much better options for Production.

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I just installed FL Studio 24 and it's CPU was already spiking on a 1 bar 4 instrument loop of stock sounds.
This has never happened to me before.

I still use REAPER for all my main needs.

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iTzPrime wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:57 am Sadly the routing issue is not drag and drop on how i usually route. So i need a few more clicks. So its alt+drag and then shift+click on the tracks selected. This makes it still a bit complicated -.-
Not sure what you are after. You said "What drives me absolutely mad in Reaper is the routing. Why can't i just do a rightclick on output and send it to a bus? " and I said you can route any channel to any other channel (call it a folder, bus or whatever) with a drag and drop - literally.

Moreover, once the bus is created/selected you can route channels by dragging them into a folder (in the arrangement view - TCP so to speak).

But let's pretend or act I may not understand you. Your solution is two clicks instead of drag and drop and you still complain about two clicks being "a bit complicated".

You do realize that you initially asked "Why can't I just do a right-click on output and send it to a bus?" which even if it existed would be a two-click?!?

Are you trippin or something?

But even so, you can actually open the routing matrix and this is one click, and all other routings can be made with one click instead of two.

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Amberience wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 2:31 pm But the barebones mixing and automation experience in Reaper is pretty poor compared to some other DAW's.
My experience is the reverse, I write mostly stuff elsewhere because I find them more intuitive in the writing process, using built in instruments etc, but then most stuff gets popped in to Reaper for mixing, the mixing is second to none and the automation is second to none, it is actually the benchmark for all other software, very few can match its Automation Item implementation.
Duh

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bungle wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 6:08 pm
Amberience wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 2:31 pm But the barebones mixing and automation experience in Reaper is pretty poor compared to some other DAW's.
My experience is the reverse, I write mostly stuff elsewhere because I find them more intuitive in the writing process, using built in instruments etc, but then most stuff gets popped in to Reaper for mixing, the mixing is second to none and the automation is second to none, it is actually the benchmark for all other software, very few can match its Automation Item implementation.
Well, I completely disagree. But this is a subjective thing I suppose.
My Youtube Channel - Wires Dream Disasters

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kmonkey wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 1:56 pm
iTzPrime wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:57 am Sadly the routing issue is not drag and drop on how i usually route. So i need a few more clicks. So its alt+drag and then shift+click on the tracks selected. This makes it still a bit complicated -.-
Not sure what you are after. You said "What drives me absolutely mad in Reaper is the routing. Why can't i just do a rightclick on output and send it to a bus? " and I said you can route any channel to any other channel (call it a folder, bus or whatever) with a drag and drop - literally.

Moreover, once the bus is created/selected you can route channels by dragging them into a folder (in the arrangement view - TCP so to speak).

But let's pretend or act I may not understand you. Your solution is two clicks instead of drag and drop and you still complain about two clicks being "a bit complicated".

You do realize that you initially asked "Why can't I just do a right-click on output and send it to a bus?" which even if it existed would be a two-click?!?

Are you trippin or something?

But even so, you can actually open the routing matrix and this is one click, and all other routings can be made with one click instead of two.
because the drag and drop solution doesn't stop the output to the master. Also I literally said I don't want them in the folder - I just want it in a basic bus.

Also sometimes i don't want them in the folder, but maybe i want them in a bus, sometimes I want to have several things that feed into each other and folders make it difficult to understand.

Yes two clicks is a bit complicated when you have around 300 tracks. With nearly all other DAWs it is just clicking on the output and selecting either a new bus or an existing one. With reaper i have to create a new bus, then alt drag them to the bus and then shift click on the route button to disable the send to master. No it is not one click on the routing matrix, especially not with many tracks.

Thanks for saying I am tripping. Very nice

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iTzPrime wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:16 am
because the drag and drop solution doesn't stop the output to the master. Also I literally said I don't want them in the folder - I just want it in a basic bus.

Also sometimes i don't want them in the folder, but maybe i want them in a bus, sometimes I want to have several things that feed into each other and folders make it difficult to understand.

Yes two clicks is a bit complicated when you have around 300 tracks. With nearly all other DAWs it is just clicking on the output and selecting either a new bus or an existing one. With reaper i have to create a new bus, then alt drag them to the bus and then shift click on the route button to disable the send to master. No it is not one click on the routing matrix, especially not with many tracks.

Thanks for saying I am tripping. Very nice
You are tripping heavily man. The level of your arrogance is on the high. Let me explain why.

Now you changed terms a bit. Now it is the "I have 300 tracks" excuse which is on the edge of being ridiculous. So I am going to entertain your lazy brain a bit.

You can drag and drop to route WITHOUT having routed track to be part of a master. You just need to learn a bit. But of course, for a person being so lazy as EXACTLY you are, you always whine and want someone else to do the hard work for you.
iTzPrime wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:16 am
because the drag and drop solution doesn't stop the output to the master. Also I literally said I don't want them in the folder - I just want it in a basic bus.
1. You can route a track to another track via DRAG AND DROP without having the routed track sent to a master. You genius all you have to do is hold ALT while you are dragging and this way it will route to any other dragged track without being sent to a master. It will be sent to the dragged track only. Even the icon in the mixer is going to visually suggest that. So it is not two but ONE mouse clicks away.
iTzPrime wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:16 am
Also sometimes i don't want them in the folder, but maybe i want them in a bus, sometimes I want to have several things that feed into each other and folders make it difficult to understand.
2. You genius do you realize any track can be routed to any other track, excluding any other track you don't have to have a folder? You can do exactly what you want. It makes it difficult to understand only for your brain and that is because you don't want to learn the tool you use but you have time to argue o a forum about nonexistent features that exist.

Prime example: You can have 150 tracks. You can open the routing matrix and reroute them all in one click, all you have to do is either mouse drag and swipe down (to the routed tracks) or hold ALT while doing it and swipe your mouse down - 150 tracks routed in one mouse click.

Moreover, if the routing matrix is confusing for your brain (mind you routing matrix in Repaer visually is the same as in the audio industry), you can turn on the "wires" view and see what goes where but you being, I guess you never even knew for that but you will of course say you knew.

iTzPrime wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:16 am Yes two clicks is a bit complicated when you have around 300 tracks. With nearly all other DAWs it is just clicking on the output and selecting either a new bus or an existing one. With reaper i have to create a new bus, then alt drag them to the bus and then shift click on the route button to disable the send to master. No it is not one click on the routing matrix, especially not with many tracks.

Thanks for saying I am tripping. Very nice
See how you are tripping. Go read above. You are making it hard for yourself. You can open the matrix and route not 150, but 200 or any number of tracks in one mouse click.

Oh, I so badly want to hear a track with 300 tracks..


And now a plot twist so big that can end Europe as we know it. Did you know that you can create an action that can route any number of tracks in any way imaginable to any number of other tracks - in any way you want - with one keystroke? No, you did not know that.

If you want to pay me money I can make it for you. But I know your answer.

Bla bla, I can't do this, that...

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