Softube CS-80 ? - Model 77 Dual Layer Synth

[bonch]

I can't understand that. Buying a plug-in completely unheard is wild to me, but even more so buying a plug-in you have no interest in simply to "do your part" to make sure other people keep making money.

If you really can't imagine supporting a company or a person just because you appreciate what they do, I'd suggest that probably indicates that your are, like most people these days, completely self-centred to the point of narcissism.

Let me get this straight. Because I don't buy plug-ins I have no interest in without hearing them first, I'm self-centered? Not giving my money to a company in exchange for absolutely nothing makes me a narcissist? What kind of broken-brained consumerism is going on here?

I mean, it is no different to giving money to a charity.

You mean other than the fact that it's not a charity?

I've seen a lot of silly things on plug-in forums, but this is amazing.

[BONES]

Hhhmmmm... I was really excited about this but now that I have played through the presets, I am less sure. Let's be honest, it's not a great sounding synth, nor is it terribly versatile. I think Baby Audio's BA-1 probably sounds better and is way more useful, which is kind of sad, really, because...

... it has one of the greatest user experiences I've ever come across. Do you know you can double-click on a control and enter a precise value? (I just discovered this but then worked out I can do that with other Softube synths, too. It's a great feature.) I love the layout of the controls and ease-of-use is through the roof. And I've always loved the way that Softube's preset browsers open in a separate window to the instrument. It makes it so much easier to make a couple of tweaks to see if a patch might work for you or not, and then move on. Model 77, like all of Softube's emulations, also looks gorgeous.

I thought this would be an insta-buy for me but, after an hour or so with the demo, I'm going to have to put more thought/effort into it before I decide.

[DashOfLime]

If you really can't imagine supporting a company or a person just because you appreciate what they do, I'd suggest that probably indicates that your are, like most people these days, completely self-centred to the point of narcissism. I mean, it is no different to giving money to a charity.

It is completely different than giving money to charity. You've said some goofy shit in the past but this one takes the cake. But no, buying any product from a company you like "sight unseen" is pretty odd. If you can afford it who am I to tell you how to spend your money, but its odd.

[DashOfLime]

I've seen a lot of silly things on plug-in forums, but this is amazing.

The problem is you've only posted 85 times in 20 years. He's posted 16,000 and apparently it broke his brain. What a ridiculous statement.

[DashOfLime]

I thought this would be an insta-buy for me but, after an hour or so with the demo, I'm going to have to put more thought/effort into it before I decide.

You sure man? Its less than $100 and you were just telling someone they'd have to be a narcissist to not support a company they like Its like charity!

[Greenstorm33]

You have to buy the synth or they won’t update Modular.

[BONES]

Let me get this straight. Because I don't buy plug-ins I have no interest in without hearing them first, I'm self-centered?

Yes, and the fact you admit you can't understand why someone else might makes you seem even worse.

Not giving my money to a company in exchange for absolutely nothing makes me a narcissist?

So you never give money to charity? Never pop a few bucks into a homeless man's paper cup? You're a narcissist.

I mean, it is no different to giving money to a charity.

You mean other than the fact that it's not a charity?

We're not talking about Adobe, Apple or Google here, we're talking about a tiny company that supports all of us in what we do. They aren't all driving around in Ferraris and Lamborghinis, the people who do the work probably earn less than you or I do. But, of course, being so self-centred, you wouldn't see that, would you?

You sure man? Its less than $100 and you were just telling someone they'd have to be a narcissist to not support a company they like Its like charity!

No, I said that if he can't understand why someone else would do that, he's a narcissist. I'm not suggesting for a moment that we should all be like that but I definitely understand where zvenx is coming from. Personally, I am not as big a fan of Softube as he is, so I'm not at all likely to buy something from them unless I think I will find it useful.

[BONES]

It is completely different than giving money to charity.

How is it different? Do Softube do good work that supports us all in our own work/hobby? Yes, they do. Would our little world be worse off if they went out of business? Yes, it definitely would be. So how is that any different to giving money to a charity that makes other people's lives better? OK, there's a little bit more self-interest there but also a lot less conscience-salving.

I buy a lot of stuff with the thought of wanting to support the developer. It's never the only reason but it's often as important to my decision as any other factor. I appreciate the time and effort that goes into making these things and I am more than happy to show my appreciation by buying the products. As I said in another thread recently, I bought a second Invader 2 license because I thought I had undervalued it when I bought it the first time (It's donationware, pay what you want). You might think that's stupid but if that's the case, it says a lot more about you than it does about me.

[bonch]

So you never give money to charity? Never pop a few bucks into a homeless man's paper cup? You're a narcissist.

I give money to actual charities and actual struggling people. Softube is not a charity or a homeless man's cup. They're a company selling products to you. A company that's doing very well. Companies aren't your friends. You should buy only the products you actually need, after you've ensured they're worth the cost. Don't just donate your money to companies for no reason.

We're not talking about Adobe, Apple or Google here, we're talking about a tiny company that supports all of us in what we do. They aren't all driving around in Ferraris and Lamborghinis, the people who do the work probably earn less than you or I do. But, of course, being so self-centred, you wouldn't see that, would you?

You don't blindly give your money to Adobe or Apple in exchange for nothing? You self-centered narcissist!

Softube is not a tiny underdog. They're partnered with everyone from Native Instruments to UAD to Ableton to SSL. They're not "supporting" me. My relationship with them extends as far as paying for something I want and no further. How do you know what cars they drive, and why do you care? Is it my obligation to give them my money so they can drive Ferraris and Lamborghinis?

This is the weirdest thing I've EVER seen posted on KVR.

[SonicDimension]

Didn't the CS-80 have chorus and tremolo effects? I don't see them on the Model 77. It seems like a weird thing to omit. Of course, it's easy to insert a chorus plugin, but then why include a built-in reverb?

[bonch]

Didn't the CS-80 have chorus and tremolo effects? I don't see them on the Model 77. It seems like a weird thing to omit. Of course, it's easy to insert a chorus plugin, but then why include a built-in reverb?

Yes, it did. The most likely reason for the inclusion of the reverb is because, to be perfectly honest, the raw sound of the CS-80 isn't particularly interesting without effects. Reverb is so fundamental to its most famous sounds that it's now being treated as baseline. That raises the question of whether or not this plug-in is going to be that useful to you since practically any synth-and-reverb combo can accomplish the same sounds. I think it's going to come down to whether or not you find the workflow inspiring.

[zerocrossing]

Possibly:

From Wikipedia:

Musically, the song took some time to assemble. Steve Porcaro, the band's synth player, introduced Paich to the Yamaha CS-80, a polyphonic analog synthesizer, and instructed him to write a song specifically with the keyboard in mind. Paich gravitated towards a brassy flute sound, which he found to be a unique alternative to the piano.

That’s exactly to where my mind went. I’d bet it’s a CS-80. I think Steve even endorsed the new Arturia model.

I didn’t realize the announcement had already happened.

[zerocrossing]

OK, my only minor complaint is that they didn’t make it MPE. It is so cool doing the pitch bending per note with something like a Rise.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Shift is fine for quick edit of both. But would be much better if there was an actual button to engage to go into a mode to edit both without needing to hold shift.

How would that work? Would it snap both layers to the same values or would it edit the unseen layer relative to the one you're actually working on? If it did the snap thing, would it snap every parameter at once or only do it as you change a parameter? Honestly, I don't see any value in it, it gets too complicated. As someone pointed out, just work on one layer and copy it to the other when you're done.

You’re over thinking it.
It would simply be a button that when engaged, makes every parameter adjustment work on both layers, exactly as it does when shift is pressed.

So basically it just makes it so you don’t have to hold shift if you are doing a bunch of parameters edits common to both (but don’t want both layers fully copied). You could even think of it like a shift lock kinda like there’s a Caps lock on your computer. Come to think of it I wonder if that would work here and be interpreted as shift?

[BONES]

I give money to actual charities and actual struggling people. Softube is not a charity or a homeless man's cup. They're a company selling products to you. A company that's doing very well.

How do you know that? Have you seen their financial results?

Companies aren't your friends.

Neither are people. At least companies don't pretend to be otherwise.

You should buy only the products you actually need, after you've ensured they're worth the cost.

How f**king boring would your life be if you kept to that philosophy? I don't need any of my favourite things, I have them because I wanted to own them. Just this week I have spent $800 on a handheld gaming device, even though I never play games. It's just a cool looking thing and I wanted it, so I bought one.

Don't just donate your money to companies for no reason.

When you give money to charities, you are giving money to companies. Often less than 10% of the money you donate ends up going to the actual charity, the rest goes to paying for the corporate structure that generates the donations and collects the money.

You don't blindly give your money to Adobe or Apple in exchange for nothing? You self-centered narcissist!

No but I know literally thousands of people who do give their money to Apple, just to have an Apple logo on their devices. They certainly aren't getting anything better for the massive premiums they pay, but they do it.

Softube is not a tiny underdog. They're partnered with everyone from Native Instruments to UAD to Ableton to SSL.

They have a total of 55 employees and they are competitors to UAD and SSL, not partners. They have a partnership with Marshall and a few almost non-existent companies like Drawmer, none of which are likely to save them from oblivion if someone like InMusic decided to target them.

They're not "supporting" me. My relationship with them extends as far as paying for something I want and no further.

Really? Because I have as many free things that they have gifted me as I do things I have paid for. But you probably think you deserve to be given free things and that it doesn't require any reciprocation.

This is the weirdest thing I've EVER seen posted on KVR.

You're the weirdest thing I've ever seen on KVR. (Not really, KVR is full of weird people.)

You’re over thinking it.

No, I am simply pointing out that no matter which way they were to do it, there would be plenty of people who wanted it done another way.

It would simply be a button that when engaged, makes every parameter adjustment work on both layers, exactly as it does when shift is pressed.

Isn't "SHIFT" a button you engage? It seems Softube have anticipated your requirement and are one step ahead.