Reason 13 Announced- Sequencer updated!

[Psuper]

Guarantee damn near no-one is paying for a Reason+ subscription. Do a poll if you really care.

[hotmitts]

Seeing a lot of people selling their Reason licenses. I guess people are moving on.

A lot of Reason users sell their perpetual license and switch over to Reason+ as soon as they realize that R+ is the much cheaper option for them.

Well, I don't know if it's cheaper but you don't end up actually owning anything.

[jens]

Few people use it as a DAW.

I'm made of the small amount of people wo does not use it as a DAW, I am part of the small percentage.

Huh? Which of the two wild claims do you plan settling on?


I asked you how you know how the majority of the other users use Reason
and you replied with:

Because of how I use it.

I hate to break it to you, but nope, you don't know how the others use it because of how you use it.


Our conversation in regards to this went like:

You: it rains in most places of the world right now

Me: how would you know?

You: because of how the weather is here where I am right now

Me: that makes absolutely no sense

You: I know it because I am in one of the few places of the world where it's raining

YMMV

No, it may not vary - numbers don't work like that. Numbers aren't opinions, numbers are facts. And either you know them or you don't. But regardless of the latter they are whatever they are.

How does that not make sense?
It makes perfect sense, just not in a way you like.

No, it makes absolutely no sense at all.

[D-Fusion]

Guarantee damn near no-one is paying for a Reason+ subscription. Do a poll if you really care.

+1

Not only that but selling your Perpetual License to Subscribe to their Ransomware where you will own nothing makes no sense so I don't know where biberact is getting that Info from and how that is supposed to be a advantage over a Perpetual license.

[Blaster]

A lot of Reason users sell their perpetual license and switch over to Reason+ as soon as they realize that R+ is the much cheaper option for them.

How exactly would it be cheaper?

It depends what kind of user you are.
If Reason's stock devices are enough for you, a perpetual license would be best.
But if you want to use most of Reason's synths and players and want to keep your DAW up to date, a Reason+ subscription might be much cheaper for you.
Just do the math. How much do all of Reason's Rack Extensions cost and how many years of Reason+ could you buy with that money?
Also consider that Reason releases a new RE once a year ($99) and a new Reason version every 2/3 years ($199).
On top of that Reason+ users get better support and sound packs.
If you're already heavily invested in Rack Extensions by Reason Studios you will of course stick to your perpetual license but for users who are not so much invested, Reason+ might be more attractive.

Many are not paying full price for Rack Extensions and upgrades and wait for sales.

Also, doing the math while paying full price:
Sub = $398 for 2 years, $597 3 years. Get nothing if you stop paying.
Perpetual upgrade + 1 yearly RE = $397 2 years, $497 3 years. Still use Reason if you stop paying.

(you also get reward points, so you can get Rack Extensions discounted via the rewards shop)

Again, how is it cheaper?

[enCiphered]

The Reason+ Annual Subscription update costs $99 if you wait for Black Friday, so there’s no need to pay the usual full price.

[D-Fusion]

The Reason+ Annual Subscription update costs $99 if you wait for Black Friday, so there’s no need to pay the usual full price.

I got my Reason 12 upgrade on Sale for $79 in 2021 So I have saved $228 by having a perpetual license vs Paying $99 three times for something that will be gone if i don't keep paying the Ransom

Not interested in the V13 update either since they just moved a few things around and made the Browser window free floating so it is mostly in the way when you use it so I will save another $297 or $396 before V14 is released depending on if it will be released in 3 or 4 years from now.

[kmonkey]

I got my Reason 12 upgrade on Sale for $79 in 2021 So I have saved $228 by having a perpetual license vs Paying $99 three times for something that will be gone if i don't keep paying the Ransom

Not interested in the V13 update either since they just moved a few things around and made the Browser window free floating so it is mostly in the way when you use it so I will save another $297 or $396 before V14 is released depending on if it will be released in 3 or 4 years from now.

Well said.

I can still recall that douche from Reason HQ who severely years ago literally publicly pissed on perpetual paying customers. Just ridiculous. Now I would love to see him and he's genius thinking. I can sense it didn't play well for them. Now he's like....hmmm..how do we put focus back on perpetual sales? Alternatively, they will put out something like the Bitwig/Presonus model.

Whatever. I moved on and love to put a crap here just for the sake of it. I have every right to do so after spending over 3000EUR with them. What an idiot I am. But still not beating their idiotic decisions. That's hard to fight.

[jens]

before V14 is released depending on if it will be released in 3 or 4 years from now.

Or not at all... tbh I don't see them getting their act together anymore.

[D-Fusion]

before V14 is released depending on if it will be released in 3 or 4 years from now.

Or not at all... tbh I don't see them getting their act together anymore.

I agree on that one and they have always been very stubborn when it comes to user input so If V14 turns out to be some minor tweaks of V13 I will still continue to enjoy my V12 for 6-8 more years so I will save even more Money

That is the Bonus of being a PC/Windows user that supports Backwards compatibility

[jens]

before V14 is released depending on if it will be released in 3 or 4 years from now.

Or not at all... tbh I don't see them getting their act together anymore.

I agree on that one and they have always been very stubborn when it comes to user input so If V14 turns out to be some minor tweaks of V13 I will still continue to enjoy my V12 for 6-8 more years so I will save even more Money

What I meant is that V14 might never arrive if they (are forced to) throw the towel before that.

That is the Bonus of being a PC/Windows user that supports Backwards compatibility

Yes, agreed!

[liquidsound]

A lot of Reason users sell their perpetual license and switch over to Reason+ as soon as they realize that R+ is the much cheaper option for them.

How exactly would it be cheaper?

It depends what kind of user you are.
If Reason's stock devices are enough for you, a perpetual license would be best.
But if you want to use most of Reason's synths and players and want to keep your DAW up to date, a Reason+ subscription might be much cheaper for you.
Just do the math. How much do all of Reason's Rack Extensions cost and how many years of Reason+ could you buy with that money?
Also consider that Reason releases a new RE once a year ($99) and a new Reason version every 2/3 years ($199).
On top of that Reason+ users get better support and sound packs.
If you're already heavily invested in Rack Extensions by Reason Studios you will of course stick to your perpetual license but for users who are not so much invested, Reason+ might be more attractive.

Many are not paying full price for Rack Extensions and upgrades and wait for sales.

Also, doing the math while paying full price:
Sub = $398 for 2 years, $597 3 years. Get nothing if you stop paying.
Perpetual upgrade + 1 yearly RE = $397 2 years, $497 3 years. Still use Reason if you stop paying.

(you also get reward points, so you can get Rack Extensions discounted via the rewards shop)

Again, how is it cheaper?

Some users enjoy using all the Packs that comes with Subscription. Not for me, but that's only available on the Reason+...

[two_tone]

I've read that it's impossible to transfer the Rack Extensions you've purchased (not to mention you can't sell them). At the very least, it would be a minimum of decency and morality to transfer the RE licenses with your copy of Reason to the new buyer.

What an unbelievable slander, this completely regressive behavior of a company has no future.

See their last paragraph:

https://help.reasonstudios.com/hc/en-us ... s-products

Ugh! They leave you no choice but to loathe them.

I believe that the no Resale of RE's Is in Breach with EU's Laws.

... and the new must-have "once a year activation" shit maybe, too.

Where to report those violations?

Not sure about the activation scheme, but disallowing the resale of rack extensions very clearly violates EU regulatory provisions that have been challenged successfully leading to enforcement action several times already in very similar cases, albeit ones with more at stake financially. I've been pointing this out since version 9, but an EU resident would have to go through the process of challenging it. I have no idea how long that would take or the costs involved but they're very clearly in violation based on some pretty straightforward language that addresses this exact category of behavior.

Someone should also look into whether they can legally (in the EU) force perpetual license holders into a subscription scheme to continue using products they already "own" as I guarantee you that's on the agenda between now and the current ownership selling the IP after they're sure they've wrung every last possible cent out of it while making a once beloved small company one of the most toxic brands in the industry, driving away its creative talent, and making sure the entire userbase holds them in well-earned contempt.

[Jac459]

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Someone should also look into whether they can legally (in the EU) force perpetual license holders into a subscription scheme to continue using products they already "own" as I guarantee you that's on the agenda between now and the current ownership selling the IP after they're sure they've wrung every last possible cent out of it while making a once beloved small company one of the most toxic brands in the industry, driving away its creative talent, and making sure the entire userbase holds them in well-earned contempt.

That's a kind of odd accusation.

You have all the rights to be upset against the current owner but:
1 - how did you know that they will sell?
2 - how do you know the next owner?
3 - how do you know the intentions of the next owner?

Either you are very very well informed either you have a creative imagination

[LaLivre]

It seems that they really do nearly everything wrong in terms of user centered product management, general public communication/marketing and userbase loyality.

Unbelievable. Its a miracle why they can not change themselve just a bit.
And where is the CEO? When was the last time he published something? Is he even still on board?