PreSonus Studio One 7 apparently imminent

[gentleclockdivider]

Does anyone know if you can record from the launcher (thus switching scenes and clips ) into the timeline ?
If not , this would be a huge misser .

Presonus has some videos on their Youtube channel showing the launcher.

I have watched it before and it doesn't answer my question
Simple :you have a clip launcher with clips/scenes and and an arrangement which is empty
Can you record your actions of the clip launcher ( changing scenes , clips ) into the arranger , just like ableton does ?
Edit: seems that it does not , you can create playlists in the launcher and import them into the timeline but NO real time recording (into arrangement)

[Vortifex]

Have they implemented single click to preview sample as a default option yet?

[mxbf]

Why would I, as a musician, want to use Splice?
I write and record my own music. That's the point of being a musician.

Out of everything new in Studio One 7, I find it the most offensive of all.

then don't listen to hip-hop, turntablism, most electronic music the last 30 years, etc. you're way better than everyone else for not using samples bro! bruh how dare you use a drum break from splice that sounds cool thats offensive

I don't.
But I have been a musician for the last 30 years. And I have used Studio One since version 1.0, because it was built with musicians like me in mind. It was designed to be a working environment for musicians, not a toy for children playing DJ dress-up. They've obviously done a 180 on that starting with version 7. So now Studio One is just another Fruity Loops. Obviously that makes some people like you happy. But as a user for 15+ years, I am not happy.

EDIT (revised this to be less defensive and angry)
Chat GPT, can you summarize what I wrote in a more mentally stable manner?:
"I appreciate your previous comments, but I feel that the recent one veered into personal territory, which I found quite disappointing. It seems there might be a misunderstanding about the type of music I create and my approach as a musician. Let me share a bit about my process: I incorporate live instruments in every track, including guitar, bass, and I also play the Nord Drum 3P along with some keyboard parts. Just last weekend, I experimented with recording violin, using a setup that minimizes latency—though it’s still a challenge to manage sometimes. My musical range spans from electroacoustic noise to classical compositions and hard rock, so it's quite diverse and definitely beyond basic sequencing software.

Regarding new features like clip launchers, they might not be something I or others use, but that’s okay. Everyone has their unique workflow and preferences. The ongoing debates can sometimes feel overwhelming and distract from the joy of music-making. Let's try to keep our discussions supportive and focused on our shared passion for music. Thanks for understanding!"

though fair, you have your perspective as an entirely instrumentalist musician who wants a DAW to be oriented around features that are meaningful to you, so your perspective has validity in that regard. I would say, I think maybe users want more bread-and-butter features (for instance the click and drag zooming with mouse wheel, I really want).

but I also just disagree, it's not just "another Fruit Loops." your options are Cubase, Reaper, StudioOne, Logic, and that one Avid makes. It's pretty clear (to me) that StudioOne is the superior option out of all of those. Cubase is close, but it's still just too convoluted. StudioOne makes recording incredibly easy and everything just seems to "flow" out of you with the least impediments. Maybe Reaper comes close, I don't know I haven't used it for a long time.

Music today is complex, it can combine live drums with samples with loops with whatever your mind can conjure up in any combination in any aesthetic that you can comprehend. Having more options for ways to be creative, improvise (clips), and explore samples, built into a DAW is a positive, not a negative.

[jamcat]

Cubase is close, but it's still just too convoluted. StudioOne makes recording incredibly easy and everything just seems to "flow" out of you with the least impediments.

My concern here is that they are making Studio One more convoluted now, too. And all for a misguided goal of attracting a different kind of clientele by making Studio One just another Ableton, Bitwig, or Fruity Loops. As if those users will ditch the real thing for PreSonus's imitation.

And along with making the software more convoluted and more difficult to navigate, will there be a performance hit, or a resource drain? Will my CPU and RAM not go as far as they do now because they're being bogged down by a permanent hook-up to Splice that I don't want, and a launcher I don't need?

Already there is a development resource drain, where Studio One's development team could have put their time and energy into revamping automation, to make it more robust and more portable, and not get f**ked up every time you click in the automation lane because they don't have automation part containers.

I really wish PreSonus had just stuck to the model of purchasing add-ons IF YOU WANT THEM. Splice could have been an add-on. The Launcher could have been an add-on. Rounded corners could have been an add-on. And I would have happily not purchased any of them. But I would be purchasing the upgrade to Studio One 7 if they had. Now, it's unlikely that they will be getting any more money from me.

[apoclypse]

Presonus has some videos on their Youtube channel showing the launcher.

I watched that video yesterday. I like how it's treated more like a matrix of Scratchpads in a supporting role to the Arranger, as opposed to completely taking over Studio One. But it also seems overly convoluted with all the little arrows that can go this way or that way. I foresee a lot of lost time and confused users trying to figure out why their mix is doing weird stuff because some arrow way down the page is pointing in the wrong direction.

Yep. This is how I'd would use it in general vs using Scratchpad. I like that it's a feature to help with arrangement vs a feature to play live etc. The basic thinking there is different than Ableton imo.

I don't think the interface is overly convoluted unless the person has never used a clip launcher DAW before. In-fact I think S1's interface is even better than Logic's and Bitwig's in this regard. For one Logic's icons are confusing with a double arrow that lights up the direction depending on whether the clip is playing or the arranger, but in that space the icon disappears unless you hover over it and it changes depending on what you are doing. Bitwig's icon doesn't indicate direction at all but if you hover over it tells you what it does. S1's icon imo much more straightforward. It seems to be always visible, if the arrow points to the left, that's the arranger, if it's pointing to the right that's the clip playing.

Like I said one of the things that has always attracted me to S1 is that Presonus focuses on workflow and they always add that little extra touch that makes sometimes unintuitive things easy. I feel like they have lost their way in this regard over the last few versions, but they do have some cool things here. Like the looping function for arrange clips looks really slick.

[spoontechnique]

I tried S1 a while ago but am actually looking at it again. Some of the features, like the project system and scratchpad, are absolutely genius. DAWProject is great since I use Bitwig mostly.

But I can't get over the basic navigation. Zooming and scrolling are all attached to unusal mouse/key moves. Not sure if any of that is customizeable in 7. I also feel like a lot of features are hidden under tiny icons.

Internet-based features like Splice integration are a no-go for me.

[apoclypse]

Cubase is close, but it's still just too convoluted. StudioOne makes recording incredibly easy and everything just seems to "flow" out of you with the least impediments.

My concern here is that they are making Studio One more convoluted now, too. And all for a misguided goal of attracting a different kind of clientele by making Studio One just another Ableton, Bitwig, or Fruity Loops. As if those users will ditch the real thing for PreSonus's imitation.

And along with making the software more convoluted and more difficult to navigate, will there be a performance hit, or a resource drain? Will my CPU and RAM not go as far as they do now because they're being bogged down by a permanent hook-up to Splice that I don't want, and a launcher I don't need?

Already there is a development resource drain, where Studio One's development team could have put their time and energy into revamping automation, to make it more robust and more portable, and not get f**ked up every time you click in the automation lane because they don't have automation part containers.

I really wish PreSonus had just stuck to the model of purchasing add-ons IF YOU WANT THEM. Splice could have been an add-on. The Launcher could have been an add-on. Rounded corners could have been an add-on. And I would have happily not purchased any of them. But I would be purchasing the upgrade to Studio One 7 if they had. Now, it's unlikely that they will be getting any more money from me.

Presonus wants more people using their software. Trying to cater to the ProTools market didn't really gain them as much traction as they probably thought it would. It did work initially but they probably realized how niche within an already niche market that was and the ProTools users are not going to move no matter what happens with AVID. If they want to stay relevant and get more/younger users interested, they need to cater to their needs. Ableton and FL are extremely popular, it makes sense to at least try to get a piece of that market imo. We may not like it but It does make sense to me. I just don't like the upgrade pricing.

Also you are assuming Presonus is wasting resources on this instead of fixing automation etc. Automation in S1 has needed a revamp for a very long time (at least since version 3). They haven't done for that for last 2-3 versions, if they wanted to fix it, they would have by now. There are a lot of other things like that in the DAW.

As for the rounded corners, after seeing the interface, I actually like it. It makes the DAW look a bit more friendly and less stark, which I'm sure was the intention. In my opinion not everything can be an add-on sometimes the developer needs to make a choice and stick with it even if that means some won't like it. I'd rather have a developer with a vision, and idea of what they bring to the table versus just making everything optional or an add-on. That just leads to the likes of Reaper.

[jamcat]

I was joking about rounded corners being an add-on. But I would prefer that it be a checkbox item in Preferences.

[nusound mind]

How is cpu load on 7 compared to 6?

[gentleclockdivider]

Can anyone here confirm if recording audio into the new launcher is working for them?

When I record audio into the launcher, studio one produces a clip with a waveform that doesn't playback audio in the launcher, the arranger or when exported. Works fine if I record in the arranger then drag into the launcher.

Better file a bug report on the presonus forum.
Embarrassing that such a huge bug even past beta-testing

[jens]

Automation in S1 has needed a revamp for a very long time (at least since version 3). They haven't done for that for last 2-3 versions, if they wanted to fix it, they would have by now. There are a lot of other things like that in the DAW.

Yes - I guess they also didn't fix the über-messy take-/lane-management that renders S1 basically unuseable for any serious audio-recording work that incorporates comping, right?

Funnily the feline doesn't seem to have any problems with that one...

[jamcat]

I don't share the simian's complaints on that.

[BONES]

You feel all smug because you somehow managed to find your way to a mic to shout

I don't feel smug, that's just how you choose to interpret what I write.

apparently feel the need talk big words about you writing songs and what not, as opposed to those hoards of cretins far inferior to you, and yet - by your own admission - you can't even imagine someone actually sitting down with a pen and paper and an instrument to write a song.

Again, this is how you decide to interpret what I said. It is a far greater reflection of you than it is of me. Because if you don't agree that the vast majority of people on KVR work that way, you're kidding yourself.

Did I manage to somehow make myself understood now or is my Engrish just too terrible for that?

More a good indication that you see everything through the lens of your seemingly giant ego, manifested in your inability to take anything at face value, to read what is written without feeling the need to interpret it in such a way that fits in with your preconceived (and inaccurate) notions of how the world is. It's a very immature outlook, the way a child thinks.

[jonnybueno]

Can anyone here confirm if recording audio into the new launcher is working for them?

When I record audio into the launcher, studio one produces a clip with a waveform that doesn't playback audio in the launcher, the arranger or when exported. Works fine if I record in the arranger then drag into the launcher.

Better file a bug report on the presonus forum.
Embarrassing that such a huge bug even past beta-testing

Yeah I opened a support ticket. Recording midi output from another track is broken as well for me.

[jamcat]

I appreciate your previous comments, but I feel that the recent one veered into personal territory, which I found quite disappointing. It seems there might be a misunderstanding about the type of music I create and my approach as a musician.

Hey mxbf, I wanted to address this. I assume it is in reference to when I said, "Obviously that makes some people like you happy."

I wasn't actually trying to make any assumptions about how you work or what kind of music you make. My only assumption was that you were fine with the new direction PreSonus has taken, based on the tone I read into your reply. Obviously there are some (perhaps even many) who are happy with this new direction, and I merely assumed you were among them. But I do want to apologise for my own tone there, as it certainly could be interpreted as dismissive or hostile, so I am sorry for that appearance. I do try to avoid making things personal, except of course with jens.