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JasonSpatola · Post by **JasonSpatola** » Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:39 pm

(Um is there some controversy with CLAP that I'm not aware of?)

jamcat · Post by **jamcat** » Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:40 pm

JasonSpatola wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:39 pm (Um is there some controversy with CLAP that I'm not aware of?)

Other than it not working?

Greenstorm33 · Post by **Greenstorm33** » Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:44 pm

cnt wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:13 pm
jamcat wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:33 pm I thought CLAP support was supposed to be super easy for devs to implement. I recall that being the main selling point. Good thing CLAP is non-essential and everything comes as VST3.
Uhm, no, it is very hard, CLAP devs just dont have a clue or they are lying since they are in that kind of market position.
I swear the S1 dev team must hate CLAP by now!

I don't know for sure, but I think devs ingeneral was way more impressed by VST3 when it was released. A worthy successor of VST2 for sure, which is not a surprise since Yamaha/Steinberg really listened to what the industry wanted, they took all that experience and feedback from the users and the plugin devs, on what could be done better from VST2. Now, that is integrity. The owner of the CLAP format are just trying to dominate what others must do to fit their agenda, like signing questionable contracts.

Either that or a growing number of devs are so fed up with Steinberg that they’re willing to go through the hassle of supporting a new format to have a distribution option that’s not controlled by them. Actually never mind, you’re “the CLAP devs are holding everyone at gunpoint and forcing them to implement their format” theory makes more sense.

Seriously though, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a single dev say that they like VST3. My impression from lurking on here is that it’s a bit of a pain in the ass to deal with.

JasonSpatola · Post by **JasonSpatola** » Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:50 pm

Oh lawd... There are CLAP conspiracy theories now...?

jamcat · Post by **jamcat** » Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:50 pm

Greenstorm33 wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:44 pm a growing number of devs are so fed up with Steinberg that they’re willing to go through the hassle of supporting a new format [...] I don’t think I’ve ever seen a single dev say that they like VST3.

I don't know of a single dev who doesn't support VST3.
But hardly any support CLAP.

Those are the hard, stubborn facts.

apoclypse · Post by **apoclypse** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:21 am

jamcat wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:50 pm
Greenstorm33 wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:44 pm a growing number of devs are so fed up with Steinberg that they’re willing to go through the hassle of supporting a new format [...] I don’t think I’ve ever seen a single dev say that they like VST3.
I don't know of a single dev who doesn't support VST3.
But hardly any support CLAP.

Those are the hard, stubborn facts.

Well there is Apple. An outlier, I know but they don’t support VST3. It took forever for some companies to support VST3. NI in particular took forever to support VST3 and they still don’t fully support it for all of their plugins. CLAP hasn’t been around for that long. I’d imagine adoption will increase over time. It’s still early days.

Cubase and Logic will probably never get CLAP support but FLStudio has it, if Ableton adds it I’d imagine support will increase even more.

jamcat · Post by **jamcat** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:25 am

Well, I was talking about plugins, really.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:05 am

jamcat wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:33 pm I thought CLAP support was supposed to be super easy for devs to implement.

Presonus devs turning out to not be so capable, then.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:07 am

cnt wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:13 pm I don't know for sure, but I think devs ingeneral was way more impressed by VST3 when it was released.

Correct, you dont, as the opposite is actually true. Which is why Steinberg had to rescind the rights of developers to make VST2 versions to get traction for VST3.

The owner of the CLAP format are just trying to dominate what others must do to fit their agenda, like signing questionable contracts.

That's a ridiculous fiction; unlike VST3, CLAP is an open source format with no proprietary license agreement. So an utterly ironic claim, given how Steinberg forced VST3 on the marketplace.,

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:16 am

jamcat wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:50 pm
Greenstorm33 wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:44 pm a growing number of devs are so fed up with Steinberg that they’re willing to go through the hassle of supporting a new format [...] I don’t think I’ve ever seen a single dev say that they like VST3.
I don't know of a single dev who doesn't support VST3.
But hardly any support CLAP.

Those are the hard, stubborn facts.

CLAP was released in June 2022.

Similarly, two years and four months after the release of VST3, you wouldnt know of a single dev who didnt support VST2
But hardly any supported VST3.
Those are more hard, stubborn facts

(edited for announcement/release mistake)

koalaboy · Post by **koalaboy** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:19 am

cnt wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:13 pm The owner of the CLAP format are just trying to dominate what others must do to fit their agenda, like signing questionable contracts.

This is utter bollocks ('scuse my Donkey).

It's completely Open Source. I have no idea what *your* agenda is, but it's clear you have one.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:21 am

jamcat wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:09 pm I am pretty sore about the direction PreSonus has chosen to take with version 7, though.
But that has very little to do with CLAP.

Yes; I think we all remember you constantly pontificating on what that direction was, yet turning out to be so far off the mark.

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:25 am

jamcat wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:50 pm
Greenstorm33 wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:44 pm a growing number of devs are so fed up with Steinberg that they’re willing to go through the hassle of supporting a new format [...] I don’t think I’ve ever seen a single dev say that they like VST3.
I don't know of a single dev who doesn't support VST3.
But hardly any support CLAP.

Those are the hard, stubborn facts.

And this is BS...
How long is CLAP around?? 2 years??
And already Bitwig, Reaper, FL Studio and now S1 are supporting it... besides quite a number of plugin devs...

Do your homework and look how many DAWs supported VST3 2 years after it was released...not to speak the number of VST- makers who already made their plugins VST3 at this point...
I think it was Steinberg themselves and probably S1 as they settled on VST3 from the very beginning...
Plugin developers 2 years after the release of VST3... probably none...

It is ridiculous to portray VST3 as a success story... it was and will ever be the biggest fail of a plugin standard in history!

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:30 am

Trancit wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:25 am It is ridiculous to portray VST3 as a success story... it was and will ever be the biggest fail of a plugin standard in history!

Hey, but you gotta admit its been the most successful VST plugin format ever. (If you dont include the one that Steinberg basically had to force developers to stop using...)

Sinisterbr · Post by **Sinisterbr** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:13 pm

Guys, just don't feed the troll.
It's clear he has some (very weird) issues. Let's keep on topic.

PreSonus Studio One 7 apparently imminent