PreSonus Studio One 7 apparently imminent

[Sinisterbr]

I've been working on a live performance using the show page (it'll be my first time using Studio One for this), and was really hoping they would improve it in version 7, but to no avail. I hope the updates will bring something new regarding that.

Until then, no need for me to jump into version 7.

[jamcat]

So there's absolute no necessity to support CLAP because all DAWs offer other options, yet the users most popular DAWs and plugin devs are implementing it? If that doesn't sound like a win... We went from "in 2 weeks nobody will ever talk about CLAP anymore" and "fine, but the big players like FL Studio or Studio One will not adopt it", to a much quicker adoption rate than VST3. Including public statements about why they like CLAP, e.g. because it's a free and well thought format. Delicious. Kudos to Presonus.

I know you can't be talking about any of my statements, because here is what I've actually said about Studio One and CLAP, two and a half years ago:

I use Studio One, which also supports VST2, VST3, ARA, ARA2, AudioUnits, and it’s own proprietary plugins. PreSonus may even support CLAP at some point, since supporting every free and open format appears to be their MO.

And 2 years ago:

As I said, I do expect Studio One will add CLAP support at some point, maybe even as soon as version 6. But I don't expect any major plugin developers with extensive plugin bundles to release CLAP versions. What incentive do they have to do that when their plugins already work in 100% of DAWs?

And 6 months ago:

They are the only developer who takes an all-of-the-above approach and supports VST2,VST3, ARA, ARA2, and AU in their DAW. And all are rock solid in Studio One. I’m sure they’ll add CLAP support as well, as they’ve already worked with Bitwig to develop the DAWproject exchange format, (and Celemony to develop ARA.)

I've been extremely consistent in what I've said about CLAP and Studio One, and about CLAP in general. And it still holds true today. The issue isn't DAWs supporting it. It makes sense that they would (unless they're protecting their turf like Logic, Cubase, or Pro Tools.)

What doesn't make any financial sense is for major plugin developers to port their extensive back catalogs to CLAP, since every DAW out there already supports them, and that's not going to change. As an end user, that's what actually matters.

And it remains true that CLAP is non-essential because 100% of plugins, DAWs, and users are covered already without it. So address what I am actually saying, instead of attacking straw men.

[bk]

I know you can't be talking about any of my statements, because here is what I've actually said about Studio One and CLAP, two and a half years ago:

Jesus. Stop it. FFS Stop.
No one cares what you say today, or 10 years ago about CLAP.
CLAP will or won't be developed, regardless of what you post on KVR

[xbitz]

new version looks good with the new bitwig/ableton style session view. dunno about the rest. if they have a midi capture its quite a good daw to buy for a new searching customer

If it had Bitwig's feature set, it would be perfect for me. I still miss having a sound design playground in it, for transitions, etc. Sure, Transit2 just came out, but it's still too rigid. So, if I hadn't bought Enrage, I would have stuck with Bitwig, as an EDM user, but with Enrage, it's awesome, so I can't complain ... I really like that it brings the AL/Bitwig device bar concept, but in the track inspector—that was a good idea.

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The fact that the stock devices don't have to pop up, and they're even available in the mixer view, was a clever move.

ps.

it was f... 320euros (Falcon was cheaper...) stiill feel the pain however, in the effects category, it can replaces Bitwig(for me)

[EnGee]

If it had Bitwig's feature set, it would be perfect for me.

Hmmmm! I'm not sure that Bitwig's features are necessary for me now that I'm looking for alternative ways in S1.

I mean if I return to the good old ways of automation, I think I would be more creative. I can automate any parameter in a synth or effect by recording the movement then fine tuning the automation.

So, I'm not missing that much in S1. The opposite can't be true though! I'm missing S1 workflow and arrangements tools when I'm in Bitwig and can't find a good alternative.

Live in the middle but it has a better workflow than Bitwig (arrangement), so I'm still between S1 and Live as my main DAW. I'm leaning more towards S1. I have still v6 Pro and v7 is not that necessary for me. I thought in the past that a clip launcher would be the only missing thing in S1 for me, but now I'm not sure! Why? Because everything has its advantages and disadvantages. I'm finding myself more productive and creative with the old way. Because that makes me concentrate on one idea, either accept it or delete it! While in the multi ideas gathering, I find myself later improving all of them and then it is difficult to choose after that, so I end with unfinished piece!

[xbitz]

^^^ For me, specifically after using Bitwig (or even AL), I really miss features like modulators being able to modulate other modulators, feedback modulation (audio-rate modulation, etc.), and quickly building FX chains without having to think too far ahead (or the ability to change devices at a given position without additional routing). So, I'm glad there's a plugin like this(a Grid like one), even though it wasn't cheap. But this is more of an S1 topic, not about EnRage, so I'll stop here.

[koalaboy]

So similar to Melda MXXX but less cost and modules.

The same problem with them both, is neither allows you to host other VST effects as modules (unfortunately), so you may as well use VCV rack which is cheaper again, although not as simple an interface.

Mulab is probably the closest you can get at the moment, with Live close behind with M4L. If S1 added a modular grid (that could load VSTs as well) or Bitwig allowed user modules, etc...

It's going to happen someday (hopefully) but nobody is willing to make the 'leap'.

[xbitz]

^^^ Yes, there are other solutions, like HY-Filter4 or Kilohearts Snap Heap (even the SoundToys Effectrack can be sufficient in the most cases I love the device modulators of it, unfortanatelly there is no global one), etc. EnRage plays in a higher league, and its price reflects that.

let's back to S1, or to CLAP (no pls)

[teilo]

But the CLAP cultists …

'nuff said.

[VariKusBrainZ]

But the CLAP ignoramus …

[D-Fusion]

But the Vst3 Cultists ...

[xbitz]

Clip launcher/when it comes to audio parts, the science ran out; it can still separate them, but that’s about it. We'll have to see during future updates if they manage to fix it.



Obviously a first world problem, but if we’re at it, they could have gone all out.

ps. And it even froze, so you can't really try it like this - a less happy beta tester (maybe the name of the clip should not be crash - I just saved someone a comment, you're welcome. )

[EnGee]

^^^ For me, specifically after using Bitwig (or even AL), I really miss features like modulators being able to modulate other modulators, feedback modulation (audio-rate modulation, etc.), and quickly building FX chains without having to think too far ahead (or the ability to change devices at a given position without additional routing). So, I'm glad there's a plugin like this(a Grid like one), even though it wasn't cheap. But this is more of an S1 topic, not about EnRage, so I'll stop here.

It’s definitely a nice effects unit, but for me it’s a waste of money. I believe this is what your DAW is for! All the tools necessary are there. If there is no such modulations and effects in my synth already, I can render to audio and do crazy things with it! I can for example double or triple the track with EQ inserted first to affect certain bands! With automation you can imagine or can’t imagine how crazy you can go using your DAW effects or your fav 3rd party ones.

[nusound mind]

How is cpu load on 7 compared to 6?

Great question nusoundmind nusoundmind.

btw You're one of the best members on these forums, you 're always on point bro.

i luv u <3 <3

all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no- etc.

I'll assume it's worse for now. Maybe someone can comment after using it awhile. Prob. hold off on 7 for now either way.

[Fornicras]

Clip launcher/when it comes to audio parts, the science ran out; it can still separate them, but that’s about it. We'll have to see during future updates if they manage to fix it.



Obviously a first world problem, but if we’re at it, they could have gone all out.

ps. And it even froze, so you can't really try it like this - a less happy beta tester (maybe the name of the clip should not be crash - I just saved someone a comment, you're welcome. )

Yeah it has some problems. When I drag an 4 bar loop of kick and 8 bar long of something else, the launcher registers both of them a 8 bars and kick clip does not loop after 4 bars, instead plays 4 bars then 4 bars of silence.

Same thing happens when you use the new loop function for a midi event and then drag it to clip launcher area. It does not loop correctly.