Steinberg has released Cubase 14

[DaveClark]

I clicked the upgrade pretty quickly.

I’ll probably go see what they’re saying on the Cubase forums but has anyone noticed the modulation isn’t ‘fast’? It’s like they all have a slew rate adding a ramp time to the change. When I want a saw shape mod, I want that vertical edge to hit immediately. I couldn’t find a slew control.
Still… lots of cool ideas in 14.

For anyone seeing the potential problem, please ensure that this is tested and reported for plugins that have per-sample updates, i.e. not per-block of audio being processed at a time by the plugin. Plugins that process per block are going to necessarily have delays that will depend upon the block size.

and is it being considered a bug? i haven't personally noticed this. seems like something like pdc that they can eventually fix?

No matter what they do, there will be plugins for which there will always be delays in modulation of parameters. In those cases, if users want fast modulation (even at the expense of increased CPU usage), they will have to contact the plugin developer(s), not the host developer(s).

[Danno]

Somewhere I read something that kind of almost explained it.. a limitation in the implementation. I'll see if I can find it.

[DaveClark]

Somewhere I read something that kind of almost explained it.. a limitation in the implementation. I'll see if I can find it.

There almost certainly are things that can be done to improve the implementation, but before reporting a "bug" or submitting a feature or feature improvement request, one should ensure that the plugin itself isn't the limitation because there will be such cases, no matter how much the implementation is improved.

[xbitz]

nah, the unpromoted game-changer feature has finally arrived; I wiped a tear from the corner of my eye after dunno how many years

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Did someone over at Steinberg actually start using Cubase, or what happened?

[_leras]

How much was the upgrade?

It's $310 from version 12. Which seems very overpriced.

edit: correction this is NZD $310, which is apparently USD $199

Steinberg shop had converted even though I was not logged etc

[twal]

How much was the upgrade?

It's $310 from version 12. Which seems very overpriced.

Yeah, thanks. I am primarily a "beatmaker" so thinking of going with Studio One. Using REAPER but want a changeup sometimes for a different experience as a secondary DAW. I think it's pretty cheap even with the version 7 Sub changes.

[_leras]

I use both Cubase and Bitwig. Opening audiofiles and plugins is one thing, going back and forth from the daws is another thing. VERY skeptic about modulation in cubase, but we'll see. Bitwig is just so streamlined with its mod system.

It looks like a good update for Cubase.

I don't think it will be anywhere as as slick to use as Bitwig. Whenever I'm using Cubase it feels very clunky.

The modulation controls looks pretty good, but in Bitwig they are much more integrated and stacking them is super easy, plus has per FX, per channel and global options.

The inline drum machine looks nice, to a point, but with the Bitwig drum machine it's so integrated with the FX channel for each drum pad built right in, allowing layering of samples and very custom fx, I think it'll be hard for Cubase to match the usability.

It's also really not a very cheap upgrade. $310 from 12 which, for a DAW which is not my primary DAW is not great value.

[_leras]

Yeah, thanks. I am primarily a "beatmaker" so thinking of going with Studio One. Using REAPER but want a changeup sometimes for a different experience as a secondary DAW. I think it's pretty cheap even with the version 7 Sub changes.

If making beats (presumably wanting fewer channels but better workflow), I'd definitely suggest trialling Bitwig.

Like reaper you can group and beat channels pretty easily, you can also have local FX sends inside groups which is extremely powerful.

The drum machine is very cool with an FX channel per pad. But using drum machine software also works very nicely. E.g. triaz

Definitely worth trialling it.

[Charlie Firpo]

Somewhere I read something that kind of almost explained it.. a limitation in the implementation. I'll see if I can find it.

There almost certainly are things that can be done to improve the implementation, but before reporting a "bug" or submitting a feature or feature improvement request, one should ensure that the plugin itself isn't the limitation because there will be such cases, no matter how much the implementation is improved.

I just have to chime in here. In my case, pitch modulating Legend hz with the new modulators created a quick glide, eventhough i chosed quantized modulation (like a square wave lfo). The solution was to instead modulate the amount knob in the source/destination matrix in legend hz.

[_leras]

- been crashing on save - a lot - but like s1 great auto save features.

overall probably going to stay on cubase 14 through the weekend and finish a track if i can. will leave a review when I finish something in this and let you know if I'm switching from s1. at the very least after 24 hours its obvious cubase deserves a serious look.

How can great autosave features help if it crashes on save a lot...

This sounds far from ideal. Wonder is it something about your system or projects? Or more general.

Making a track, or most of one, is always a good way to get somewhat up to speed with a new DAW. :Tu:

[twal]

Yeah, thanks. I am primarily a "beatmaker" so thinking of going with Studio One. Using REAPER but want a changeup sometimes for a different experience as a secondary DAW. I think it's pretty cheap even with the version 7 Sub changes.

If making beats (presumably wanting fewer channels but better workflow), I'd definitely suggest trialling Bitwig.

Like reaper you can group and beat channels pretty easily, you can also have local FX sends inside groups which is extremely powerful.

The drum machine is very cool with an FX channel per pad. But using drum machine software also works very nicely. E.g. triaz

Definitely worth trialling it.

Yeah Bitwig was the other one I was looking at. I like the new instruments in Studio One 7, and seem to have a good amount of useable presets. I know Bitwig has The Grid and some other nice instruments, how are the presets for them? I plan on learning mainly Halion so The Grid and other instruments I wouldn't be interested anytime soon even though I know there is real power there. I do want to work mainly inside the box without adding any third party as well.

[lotus2035]

I upgraded from Cubase Elements 13 to 14 and I'm getting catastrophic crashes.
It's the same installer for all three versions, it's your license that opens the relevant version.
I'll hold off on using it until an update is released. v13 is solid.

[xbitz]

Yeah, thanks. I am primarily a "beatmaker" so thinking of going with Studio One. Using REAPER but want a changeup sometimes for a different experience as a secondary DAW. I think it's pretty cheap even with the version 7 Sub changes.

If making beats (presumably wanting fewer channels but better workflow), I'd definitely suggest trialling Bitwig.

Like reaper you can group and beat channels pretty easily, you can also have local FX sends inside groups which is extremely powerful.

The drum machine is very cool with an FX channel per pad. But using drum machine software also works very nicely. E.g. triaz

Definitely worth trialling it.

Yeah Bitwig was the other one I was looking at. I like the new instruments in Studio One 7, and seem to have a good amount of useable presets. I know Bitwig has The Grid and some other nice instruments, how are the presets for them? I plan on learning mainly Halion so The Grid and other instruments I wouldn't be interested anytime soon even though I know there is real power there. I do want to work mainly inside the box without adding any third party as well.

Bitwig lacks various sequencers, so I’d rather choose Falcon as my main sampler because of its MIDI output.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIUJEDQ4ay0

on https://bitwiggers.com/ unlimited number of presets can be found in various categories.

[twal]

Yeah, thanks. I am primarily a "beatmaker" so thinking of going with Studio One. Using REAPER but want a changeup sometimes for a different experience as a secondary DAW. I think it's pretty cheap even with the version 7 Sub changes.

If making beats (presumably wanting fewer channels but better workflow), I'd definitely suggest trialling Bitwig.

Like reaper you can group and beat channels pretty easily, you can also have local FX sends inside groups which is extremely powerful.

The drum machine is very cool with an FX channel per pad. But using drum machine software also works very nicely. E.g. triaz

Definitely worth trialling it.

Yeah Bitwig was the other one I was looking at. I like the new instruments in Studio One 7, and seem to have a good amount of useable presets. I know Bitwig has The Grid and some other nice instruments, how are the presets for them? I plan on learning mainly Halion so The Grid and other instruments I wouldn't be interested anytime soon even though I know there is real power there. I do want to work mainly inside the box without adding any third party as well.

Bitwig lacks various sequencers, so I’d rather choose Falcon as my main sampler because of its MIDI output.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIUJEDQ4ay0

on https://bitwiggers.com/ unlimited number of presets can be found in various categories.

This is excellent, thanks, starting to veer towards Bitwig more. A difficult decision. Looks like a great community!!! I don't think I'll be getting Falcon though, maybe another way of it.

[xbitz]

btw they've added macro assignment to the VSTs context menu, so the bx_ plugins have gained a bit of value. I think FabFilter plugins can do it as well, and Reson plugins too