UAD still worth it?

[TmS1]

Thats cool, doesn’t take from the fact that they have underlying intentions behind every action and that only seems to be selling regardless of the end user experience.

Sooo, you are telling us, a business wants to make money?????

I am telling you what’s their business strategy to make money on customers, which is based on customers accommodating to their business instead of being the other way around. Every serious software developer that sell a license permits the customer to get sell their unused licenses no matter the cause. UAD on the other way they rather sell you multiple license of the same software again customer adapting to their business model and you won’t be able to sell these licenses, that could only be done if you buy their hardware and sell such licenses along with it. which i suppose you know, you are just not friends with common sense. its as clear as water what their business is built upon in any example made at this point

NO business accommodates customers. ALL businesses accommodate themselves, to remain a business. BIG surprise. In other words, different businesses will run differently, depending on how they see fit. All your talk suggests as long as businesses accommodate you, there is no "philosophical" discussion to be had. WRONG. So I can only tell you, if you don't like how they do business, don't bother with them. Get something else. Find a company that you erroneously believe are catering to your every need. Just because you are off to never, never land doesn't mean your delusion should be imparted on what reality supposed to be. It is all as it should be. Your interpretation draws the wrong conclusion.

Oh, let me guess you get butterflies in your tummy when you hear UAD? As long as you are telling me how you are doing business I have an option to decide. It’s fair, if you are misleading/ deceiving. Then you have a problem. Before I came into this discussion there was over 1.400 engagement posts in this topic, It’s clearly something wrong. Not all were critics but most of the great feedback was “ omg, their emulations sound amazing!!” What about the other things regarding other areas about the business? No! They are great!!!

No philosophical or emotional arguments stand a chance against the facts. Another brick in the wall.

Hahah no! Do you read what you write before you post it? YOU are doing the very thing you're pointing out. That's the idea, you are irrevocably emotional. I'm not talking about business practices. I am talking about looking elsewhere if you think "it's not fair." You have a choice, just as businesses have their choice. What don't you understand? That's a rhetorical question by the way, I don't need any more of your irrelevant explanations. lol.

Your inability to stick to a subject is unmatched. I had the ilusion of a choice, I bought it.. realized they just screw people over and you won’t be able to leave. I won’t be buying stuffs from them thats for sure. Now, for future events for people that are going to eventually buy stuffs from UAD, do some research.

[TmS1]

This is crazy the conversation carried on so long...

I don't like their business practices, and I think they could have done a better job when they first entered the Native market. They kept undercutting recent buyers, which was a shitty experience.

I still buy occasionally as it suits my needs, and yeah, they're a business looking to capitalize on what they can to keep earning money.

Is there anything to gain by trying to change anyone's opinion?

That’s exactly what I’m saying. But they just don’t want to accept my opinion which is based on the facts of how they operate.

[TmS1]

I doubt very much that this is true. I wouldn’t even be sure they’d match the v1 of the UAD pultec.

The UAD ones are good to the level I don’t think I need to try any others.

Seems I was right. What are the odds?

Why, what did you say that was correct?

This is a good example. The first UAD pultec still sound superb today, the version 2 was a good improvement.

I don't know who Noiseash are, and don't have time to demo every single EQ on the market. And why would I test a pultec when I am very happy with the pultecs from UAD?

I do have plug ins from many other companies, but UAD are my first port of call for nearly everything as they sound best. I only need other plug ins to fill in the gaps, or to offer tonal differences (EQ, saturation).

Trying to make a point about a pultec, LA2A, 1176 etc seems pointless. UAD have had such good emulations of these for years, that why would any UAD customer feel the need to switch to a different version of these, IF there were any real improvements it would be incremental at best.

Well, the intention was to just show you, that you do not have any logical arguments to why UAD is so amazing other than “ great emulation software” and as long as somebody else critiques or have a different opinion you will argument for the sake of arguing? It just flew over your head. Sorry.

[mothra]

FYI, there are OS and DAW compatibility updates available for all but the latest plugins (as they would already have) in the UA Connect app.

Thanks for the heads up, running it now haha. Even the new SSL plugs had an update!

[Uncle E]

I don't know who Noiseash are, and don't have time to demo every single EQ on the market. And why would I test a pultec when I am very happy with the pultecs from UAD?

Personally, I'd say that NoiseAsh is very good but not an improvement on the UA plugins. A good choice for someone who is actively looking for an alternative to UA, not a good choice for someone who is happy with UA. The Acustica Pultec and Neve sound better to me than the UA ones but they have their own (much worse) issues, which is why I stay with UA.

[TMaudio]

Sooo, you are telling us, a business wants to make money?????

I am telling you what’s their business strategy to make money on customers, which is based on customers accommodating to their business instead of being the other way around. Every serious software developer that sell a license permits the customer to get sell their unused licenses no matter the cause. UAD on the other way they rather sell you multiple license of the same software again customer adapting to their business model and you won’t be able to sell these licenses, that could only be done if you buy their hardware and sell such licenses along with it. which i suppose you know, you are just not friends with common sense. its as clear as water what their business is built upon in any example made at this point

NO business accommodates customers. ALL businesses accommodate themselves, to remain a business. BIG surprise. In other words, different businesses will run differently, depending on how they see fit. All your talk suggests as long as businesses accommodate you, there is no "philosophical" discussion to be had. WRONG. So I can only tell you, if you don't like how they do business, don't bother with them. Get something else. Find a company that you erroneously believe are catering to your every need. Just because you are off to never, never land doesn't mean your delusion should be imparted on what reality supposed to be. It is all as it should be. Your interpretation draws the wrong conclusion.

Oh, let me guess you get butterflies in your tummy when you hear UAD? As long as you are telling me how you are doing business I have an option to decide. It’s fair, if you are misleading/ deceiving. Then you have a problem. Before I came into this discussion there was over 1.400 engagement posts in this topic, It’s clearly something wrong. Not all were critics but most of the great feedback was “ omg, their emulations sound amazing!!” What about the other things regarding other areas about the business? No! They are great!!!

No philosophical or emotional arguments stand a chance against the facts. Another brick in the wall.

Hahah no! Do you read what you write before you post it? YOU are doing the very thing you're pointing out. That's the idea, you are irrevocably emotional. I'm not talking about business practices. I am talking about looking elsewhere if you think "it's not fair." You have a choice, just as businesses have their choice. What don't you understand? That's a rhetorical question by the way, I don't need any more of your irrelevant explanations. lol.

Your inability to stick to a subject is unmatched. I had the ilusion of a choice, I bought it.. realized they just screw people over and you won’t be able to leave. I won’t be buying stuffs from them thats for sure. Now, for future events for people that are going to eventually buy stuffs from UAD, do some research.

Nope. I've been saying the same exact thing the whole time. Again, don't allow your delusions to dictate reality. Yaaay, you may have figured it out. Don't buy from them then. There you go champ.

[TMaudio]

I don't know who Noiseash are, and don't have time to demo every single EQ on the market. And why would I test a pultec when I am very happy with the pultecs from UAD?

Personally, I'd say that NoiseAsh is very good but not an improvement on the UA plugins. A good choice for someone who is actively looking for an alternative to UA, not a good choice for someone who is happy with UA. The Acustica Pultec and Neve sound better to me than the UA ones but they have their own (much worse) issues, which is why I stay with UA.

It definitely comes down to flavor type. UA Pultec, definitely smooth and about the low buoyancy. NoiseAsh, all about the mid crunch, especially when driven. The Slate pultec is also somewhere in between, very good contender.

[TmS1]

I am telling you what’s their business strategy to make money on customers, which is based on customers accommodating to their business instead of being the other way around. Every serious software developer that sell a license permits the customer to get sell their unused licenses no matter the cause. UAD on the other way they rather sell you multiple license of the same software again customer adapting to their business model and you won’t be able to sell these licenses, that could only be done if you buy their hardware and sell such licenses along with it. which i suppose you know, you are just not friends with common sense. its as clear as water what their business is built upon in any example made at this point

NO business accommodates customers. ALL businesses accommodate themselves, to remain a business. BIG surprise. In other words, different businesses will run differently, depending on how they see fit. All your talk suggests as long as businesses accommodate you, there is no "philosophical" discussion to be had. WRONG. So I can only tell you, if you don't like how they do business, don't bother with them. Get something else. Find a company that you erroneously believe are catering to your every need. Just because you are off to never, never land doesn't mean your delusion should be imparted on what reality supposed to be. It is all as it should be. Your interpretation draws the wrong conclusion.

Oh, let me guess you get butterflies in your tummy when you hear UAD? As long as you are telling me how you are doing business I have an option to decide. It’s fair, if you are misleading/ deceiving. Then you have a problem. Before I came into this discussion there was over 1.400 engagement posts in this topic, It’s clearly something wrong. Not all were critics but most of the great feedback was “ omg, their emulations sound amazing!!” What about the other things regarding other areas about the business? No! They are great!!!

No philosophical or emotional arguments stand a chance against the facts. Another brick in the wall.

Hahah no! Do you read what you write before you post it? YOU are doing the very thing you're pointing out. That's the idea, you are irrevocably emotional. I'm not talking about business practices. I am talking about looking elsewhere if you think "it's not fair." You have a choice, just as businesses have their choice. What don't you understand? That's a rhetorical question by the way, I don't need any more of your irrelevant explanations. lol.

Your inability to stick to a subject is unmatched. I had the ilusion of a choice, I bought it.. realized they just screw people over and you won’t be able to leave. I won’t be buying stuffs from them thats for sure. Now, for future events for people that are going to eventually buy stuffs from UAD, do some research.

Nope. I've been saying the same exact thing the whole time. Again, don't allow your delusions to dictate reality. Yaaay, you may have figured it out. Don't buy from them then. There you go champ.

Do you hear yourself? What is it that you have been saying from the beginning? What is your point based on what exactly? Elaborate.

[waxtrax]

*yawn*

[Big DAW Audio]

It's worth it, but sounds like you already have a few amazing plugin bundles / subscriptions, which should be more than capable of handling your production needs. If you think you really need a specific plugin, buy it while it is on sale, but no need to replace your already-great arsenal of tools.

[9headshydra]

I guess that just to use and own UAD plugins since 20 years without the need to try anything else make their plugins worth it,

No GAS, no « grass is greener » syndrome and none insecure feelings about my mixing tools just let me think i made the good choice, no resale value needed too,

Because I just don’t care about the new fairchild or pultec emulation from x or y, those I own just do the job, sound great and I don’t need any extra AI made algorithm from 2024 wich are obviously the new game changer tool that will (not) revolutionize your work.

If you need to try and buy everything new instead of making music with what you already own, you are the problem,

How many hammers do you need before understanding you just need one ?

[jens]

I don't know who Noiseash are, and don't have time to demo every single EQ on the market. And why would I test a pultec when I am very happy with the pultecs from UAD?

Personally, I'd say that NoiseAsh is very good but not an improvement on the UA plugins. A good choice for someone who is actively looking for an alternative to UA, not a good choice for someone who is happy with UA. The Acustica Pultec and Neve sound better to me than the UA ones but they have their own (much worse) issues, which is why I stay with UA.

Yeah, being fully satisfied with something and thus having no interest in anything else of the same sort is perfectly fine and also a sound approach, I'd say.

However claiming something is the best without having tried alternatives and even freely admiting to have no interest in trying alternatives at all is something else entirely. That's just painfully dumb&ignorant.

[9headshydra]

However claiming something is the best without having tried alternatives and even freely admiting to have no interest in trying alternatives at all is something else entirely. That's just painfully dumb&ignorant.

Since “best” something is always a pure subjective point of view, it’s not sound dumb or ignorant but just the way to not waste time and money about unicorns imho

[jens]

However claiming something is the best without having tried alternatives and even freely admiting to have no interest in trying alternatives at all is something else entirely. That's just painfully dumb&ignorant.

Since “best” something is always a pure subjective point of view, it’s not sound dumb or ignorant but just the way to not waste time and money about unicorns imho

Nah - I don't buy that - dude quoted someone else who claimed that a different Pultec emu was "just as good" as the UAD one with the reply "I doubt it". That's not coming from someone who means "best for me personally" when he claims that something is the best. Dude meant best as in objectively the best - without even having tried the other stuff.

There's just no sane way of defending that sort of ignorant bollox.

[TmS1]

However claiming something is the best without having tried alternatives and even freely admiting to have no interest in trying alternatives at all is something else entirely. That's just painfully dumb&ignorant.

Since “best” something is always a pure subjective point of view, it’s not sound dumb or ignorant but just the way to not waste time and money about unicorns imho

Nah - I don't buy that - dude quoted someone else who claimed that a different Pultec emu was "just as good" as the UAD one with the reply "I doubt it". That's not coming from someone who means "best for me personally" when he claims that something is the best. Dude meant best as in objectively the best - without even having tried the other stuff.

There's just no sane way of defending that sort of ignorant bollox.

Yeah, that’s exactly my point.