Roland Cloud

[IvyBirds]

I'm with you. I had the VERY DISAGREABLE experience of trying to launch 2nd Sense Audio Wiggle, bought years ago, only to watch asking for authorization (I don't know exactly what happened, but it became unauthorized). Since 2nd Audio is out of business, I cannot use it anymore. A system like what Tone 2 or U-He use is the best, IMO. Even if they go out of business, their instruments will work as long as we can install and run them.

I like what Plogue does. They send you a graphic file that has your serial number and your personal info on it regarding your order. You just run the installer launch the VST and drag and drop the file into the VST and you are done

You can then save the installer file and the graphic file and install it forever

Roland could easily do the same. If you buy a lifetime key you could just drag and drop that info the software

If you buy a monthly subscription or a yearly subscription you get a key good for a year or a month that you then drag and drop that

The file could easily display when the keys expire so there is no confusion and when you get the confirmation email that your renewal has processed and your credit card charges the file could just be included in that email

[Examigan]

I like what Plogue does. They send you a graphic file that has your serial number and your personal info on it regarding your order. You just run the installer launch the VST and drag and drop the file into the VST and you are done

You can then save the installer file and the graphic file and install it forever

Tone2 is basically the same. You get an installer and authorize it with a separate file they give you.

[Teksonik]

Your point? ...

Some of us just want to buy a plugin, install it, authorize it, and get to work.

My point? Some of us don't want ANY kill switch in the software we purchase.
How about calling it what it is, without the marketing BS, a KILL SWITCH.

Unfortunately most large companies will never go serial number only so the choices will still remain a "kill switch" or intrusive extra software, some of which is third party that can affect system stability and security and can also be used as a kill switch. (what if iLok goes out of business and so on)

In an ideal world we wouldn't even need a serial number but the world we live in is far from ideal.

All I can do is pass on to company representatives like the one in this thread my desire to purchase some of their plugins if they didn't include the need for extra software that according to some reports can be wonky.

I hold very little hope that it will change the way Roland in this case does business but again I reserve the right to make my voice heard.

The fear of Challenge Response is that the company will go under and not provide a way to authorize the software in the future but of all the companies in the market, I fear Roland going under less than almost any other.

So again if Roland were to provide a C/R option they would have a customer. If not then I'll be back next year to say the same thing.

[PAK]

I would just like basic updates to make things easier to use, and some more features, etc. The browser would be a good place to start.

As you probably know ( … ) they’ve updated the file browser for a few of their plugins. I’m not sure what criteria they used, to decide which ones got the update and which didn’t, but it seems like it was mostly things they intend to use in the current Fantom EX hardware.

Splitting all of the SRX plugins out, in an obvious attempt to “pad the numbers” for their subscription service, created a worse product. They obviously know this when they did not replicate that decision for Zenology. As Zenology does most of what the XV/JV/SRX can do, except better IMO, I’m not sure those plugins are going see many more updates at this point.

It would be a nice gesture if Roland gave such users access to the same sounds, inside Zenology, for free. They could still upsell them all the other stuff too, so it’s not like it couldn’t also be used as a sales opportunity. But such customer friendly actions don’t appear to be the sort of thing they'd be inclined to do..

If they’d implement the XV's effects fully in Zenology (to give the sounds all of their original FX) there’s no reason for the JV/XV/SRX plugins to exist. Seems the whole subscription thing is preventing them from making some (IMO) common sense decisions about trimming their line up and creating better products from that..

[shatteredmindofbob]

Well, not needing 17 seconds to load is still a decent reason for the JV/XV/SRX plugins to exist...

[IvyBirds]

Splitting all of the SRX plugins out, in an obvious attempt to “pad the numbers” for their subscription service, created a worse product. They obviously know this when they did not replicate that decision for Zenology. As Zenology does most of what the XV/JV/SRX can do, except better IMO, I’m not sure those plugins are going see many more updates at this point.

The biggest advantage to the XV5080 plugin in my experience over Zenology is the GUI. Zenology is like "Tron the plugin" while the XV5080 is much easier on my 50 something year old eyes

zenology_07.jpg

roland-xv5080-software-banner[3].jpg

Outside of that if you are going to emulate the XV5080 being limited to just things in the XV5080 makes that much easier

I had decades of experience using the JV/XV line of Synths and used to dream about having them in plugin form, I just assumed incorrectly that all of the SRX content would be available since it was in my Integra7

[cyberheater]

What’s the difference between the JV1080 and the XV5080?

[IvyBirds]

What’s the difference between the JV1080 and the XV5080?

When it comes to the plugins very little which I'll explain in a bit. When it comes to the hardware quite a bit

The JV1080 hardware is the oldest. It contained a bunch of sample content, a bunch of presets, and a bunch of FX

After a few years the XV5080 came out. It had more sample content, more presets, and more effects. However Roland included all of the samples, presets, and effects from the 1080

A few years after that Roland came out with the original Fantom which had everything the XV5080 had when it came to samples, presets, and effects and a bit more

The XV5080 and JV1080 plugins are actually based on the original Fantom engine (which is also in the Integra7)

They have the exact same sound engine. The JV1080 and the XV5080 plugins share all of the same sample content as the expanded sample content from the Fantom is in both. The only differences are the JV1080 plugin looks like the 1080 hardware and the XV5080 looks like the 5080, and the 5080 plugin has a few more effects

For all intents and purposes there is no reason to have both installed at the same time. Just install the 5080 as it has everything the 1080 has and more, and sounds exactly the same, and most certainly don't buy both or use lifetime keys on both

[Examigan]

Splitting all of the SRX plugins out, in an obvious attempt to “pad the numbers” for their subscription service, created a worse product. They obviously know this when they did not replicate that decision for Zenology. As Zenology does most of what the XV/JV/SRX can do, except better IMO, I’m not sure those plugins are going see many more updates at this point.

The biggest advantage to the XV5080 plugin in my experience over Zenology is the GUI. Zenology is like "Tron the plugin" while the XV5080 is much easier on my 50 something year old eyes

zenology_07.jpgroland-xv5080-software-banner[3].jpg

I like the font on the XV-5080 better, Zenology is a bit tough on the eyes, but I wish it had the displays for waveforms and envelopes like Zenology has.

[Examigan]

What’s the difference between the JV1080 and the XV5080?

You can read up some of that info here (along with what Ivybirds just mentioned)

viewtopic.php?t=475542&start=3090

[Examigan]

I would just like basic updates to make things easier to use, and some more features, etc. The browser would be a good place to start.

As you probably know ( … ) they’ve updated the file browser for a few of their plugins. I’m not sure what criteria they used, to decide which ones got the update and which didn’t, but it seems like it was mostly things they intend to use in the current Fantom EX hardware.

Yep, I know certain ones got that update.
Hopefully the D-50 and XV-5080 have updates soon.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Does enology include all the sample content (and any presets) from the digital emulations like d-50 and Xv-5080?

Also is it possible to claim as a cloud reward?

[Echoes in the Attic]

By the way it’s absurd that they have two products which are the same but with a different UI (jv-1080 and xv-5080). Who does that. These and the srx's should obviously be in a single product, like Korg does.

[PAK]

Does enology include all the sample content (and any presets) from the digital emulations like d-50 and Xv-5080? Also is it possible to claim as a cloud reward?

It includes the base XV-5080 content, but not the SRX expansions. The Zenology versions have an additional charge of $20 each. They’re also available on the base $30/yr sub.

If you only want the sample content then everything’s fine. But, if you wanted the actual presets, then there’s an issue. For reasons, best known only to Roland, they excluded some of the XV FX from Zenology - meaning the Zenology presets sound different. They’ve since added reverb to Zenology V2, meaning it’s often possible to recreate the missing FX. If you go through all of the presets, one by one adding it back, it should only take a couple of years

All Zenology products have, thus far, been excluded as Cloud Rewards. Subscribe or purchase. The Model Expansions are expensive for what they are, btw, with the “best” option their "discounted" $600 bundle. Given that I would highly advise demoing the Model Expansions before deciding whether they’re worth adding to the base Zenology Pro..

By the way it’s absurd that they have two products which are the same but with a different UI (jv-1080 and xv-5080). Who does that.

In this case, someone promoting that you get "X" plugins with their subscription service. This, along with a refusal to issue anything but temporary activation, even on "lifetime keys", are big things against the service. The Cloud Download Manager is also a bloated monstrosity. The Mac version is 1.8GB!! For a download manager. That said, it's been working without issue here lately

[Gamma-UT]

Also is it possible to claim as a cloud reward?

Unless they've changed things recently, no. Sub or paid perpetual licence for Zenology.