T2 feature motivation - did anyone ask the users?

[audiobot202]

I'm sorry but I do agree with Paul G. The same thing happened when Cool Edit Pro was bought out by Adobe. They piled on a bunch of almost insignificant features and left like one to three pretty decent stuff to entice us to pay out the cash. Either way I will buy T2, no matter what they do, but I kind of agree. It's like Mackie bought out, and now theyre like- hey ! look! its OURS now and we can make it support mackie mackie mackie! its like almost that they turned it into a commercial for buying their other freaking products! And yes it is "preliminary" to think of this stuff, but simply look at the features revealed so far. As of yet, the feature list looks more or less like it's going in that direction, and each new one seems to be more disheartening, with the notable and obvious exceptions. If those really are simple teases, then the jokes on us, but "what if we're right?" Is what we are trying to say.
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RonC

Oh yeah, apart from the fact that Adobe Audition actually really is good software. Adobe enhanced what was already there. Is that not enough for you? Most software updates do this...strangely enough !
So, Mackie make good hardware or 'ultra tactile soft-hardware' (whatever you want..it's still HARD-ware) and have asked Mr Storer if they can have a crack at Tracktion, probably paying him something along the way and feeding his family. He still gets to develop it, but they say..'dude, could you build in some good support for our hardware as well, because our fans would love it, we would love it and we think it would be a better product and besides, we pay you to do that..'
Do you actually think it's going to remain Mackie support free if they control the reins? I'd really like to know what beef you have with them. As far as I can tell, they're just another audio hardware company trying to sell products in a very congested market who want some complimentary software. How is that different to what other companies do? It's only a bad thing if they lock users out if they don't own some form of Mackie hardware. I can't see that happening though.
You could be right, you could be wrong. Either way, you're jumping the gun. I'm not a Mackie devotee, but I fail to see how you can be so presumtuous given the lack of information thus far.

Steve

[headquest]

ehh most of those features are half-working though. also no asio support?

RonC

They all work here.

And think carefully about whether you really want ASIO control if you are using Audition as an editor from within Tracktion. Assign ASIO drivers to AA and you'll no longer be able to open it from inside Tracktion because the two will conflict over access to the drivers.

ASIO support would be nice as an OPTION, but my default would be to keep using the WDM drivers in Audition, not ASIO, and this has never given me any problem.

[audiobot202]

ehh most of those features are half-working though. also no asio support?

RonC

You just want everything NOW NOW NOW don't you? Are you looking for the perfect piece of software or something???

[rpc9943]

um i never said anything about now now now...

It just didnt seem that Audition really fit a 1.5 version title... maybe 1.2 or something. Just wasn't significant as before

RonC

[audiobot202]

I don't care for the name 'Audition'...but it seems like a decent upgrade to me.
No, you never said 'now'...but you didn't have to as I was referring to my perception of your impatience with aforementioned software.

um i never said anything about now now now...

It just didnt seem that Audition really fit a 1.5 version title... maybe 1.2 or something. Just wasn't significant as before

RonC

[rpc9943]

I'm not impatient! in no way have I ever said I was! I realize that coding the ultimate programs (tracktion and audition) will take time!

maybe i was wrong saying about audition.. some people before were telling me how audition is more or less a crappy program (and I legally own/bought both programs btw)... theyve also dissed finalmix which makes me upset too, so I've stopped using it... i dont know i just hope im not using software that could be somehow better... besides, many vst's dont work in audition unfortunately. Especially many GUI's dont work. That really upset me, not to mention the realtime FX and bussing kind of stutters my A64 3000+ computer... kind of pisses me off. Either way, it still is my favorite and my first and most likely last wav editing tool.

RonC

[cbit]

theyve also dissed finalmix which makes me upset too, so I've stopped using it.

lousy reason to stop using something

i dont know i just hope im not using software that could be somehow better.

any software could be better. don't get obsessed with finding the ultimate soft, you'll never get anything done.

[headquest]

I'm not impatient! in no way have I ever said I was! I realize that coding the ultimate programs (tracktion and audition) will take time!

maybe i was wrong saying about audition.. some people before were telling me how audition is more or less a crappy program (and I legally own/bought both programs btw)... theyve also dissed finalmix which makes me upset too, so I've stopped using it... i dont know i just hope im not using software that could be somehow better... besides, many vst's dont work in audition unfortunately. Especially many GUI's dont work. That really upset me, not to mention the realtime FX and bussing kind of stutters my A64 3000+ computer... kind of pisses me off. Either way, it still is my favorite and my first and most likely last wav editing tool.

RonC

ReWire, VST, frequency space editing...etc - definitely a good upgrade. Go back and read that list!

Perhaps you shouldn't take so seriously people who criticise your software. AA is a leading edge, top-drawer piece of software which probably provides the best audio editing available on any platform.

As for VSTs that don't show their GUI, it's the fault of the VST, not Audition itself. The Kjaerhus stuff was a case in point. Torben brought out an update to all his plugs so that they would display properly in DX wrapper environments (which is basically what is going on in AA, in case you didn't realise). All my VST fx work just fine.

Having said that I rarely use VST effects in Audition (with a few exceptions) because the built in effects are awesome

[Lunch Money]

Who needs ASIO in an audio editor? Wouldn't run at the same time as your ASIO host anyhow. <shrug>

Frankly, I think Audition looks like a kick-ass product, and if that's your counter-argument, then I say I hope you're right and Tracktion 2 gives us plenty to complain about.

Greg

[audiobot202]

I'm not impatient! in no way have I ever said I was! I realize that coding the ultimate programs (tracktion and audition) will take time!

maybe i was wrong saying about audition.. some people before were telling me how audition is more or less a crappy program (and I legally own/bought both programs btw)... theyve also dissed finalmix which makes me upset too, so I've stopped using it... i dont know i just hope im not using software that could be somehow better... besides, many vst's dont work in audition unfortunately. Especially many GUI's dont work. That really upset me, not to mention the realtime FX and bussing kind of stutters my A64 3000+ computer... kind of pisses me off. Either way, it still is my favorite and my first and most likely last wav editing tool.

RonC

It's never good when software doesn't work that well for you. I once bought Magix Music Maker 6 for three figures and it was absolutely the worst piece of crap I ever installed. No mater what i did, it stuttered and slowed down and just would not work under and setting. Now it sits on my shelf doing nothing. I should probably try and sell it or throw it away !
I can understand your frustration. If something works for you, you shouldn't listen to anyone else. If you like it, then don't sweat it.
I always feel like a third rate hack when it comes to music. I get down on myself and it really slows me down if I'm trying to work on something. It's been that way all my life about nearly anything I've done.

I guess, all software could be better. Software is just buggy by nature. That's why they have updates. I think Reason is awful, but lots of people swear by it. So, different strokes for different folks.
If somebody is telling you that Audition is crappy software, they don't know a lot about music editing Don't worry about it dude.

Steve

[Lunch Money]

People who dismissed Final Mix are numpties. (sorry, that actually applies to a lot of people I respect and appreciate, so I shouldn't say that. ) The only thing wrong with that program is the bugged out preset management. The sound quality and features are exceptional and useful.

Greg

[hello1234]

So, why is everyone so pissed off at those of us who are pissed off that the few simple things that T needed seem to be nowhere to be found yet.

I don't think anyone is pissed off that some people don't have the features they want. I think maybe they are just pissed off with hearing about it.

Especially when:

Loop audio recording
more options and fine editing for quantise/piano roll
some form of bus/mix/pan editing that allows for better mixing
Midi learn
If possible (maybe this is what the 64 bit summing thing is) a crisper/sharper audio engine.

any/all/none of those featuers may be in T2. Why in the name groundhogging are people bitching abot missing features when they don't even know the feature list?

If I want a f*^((ing mackie hardware system, i'll f(&%ing buy a mackie hardware system, ya dig?

Why would you buy one if your software doesn't support it? Now Tracktion has support for such things, I might be tempted to save up. They look f**king cool, if you ask me.

How about, and I say this only as a friendly suggestion, we all stop whining about which features are or aren't in T2 until we all actually know which features are or aren't in T2.

blah blah blah, blind faith blind faith, blahblah,

wheres the beef?

[Lunch Money]

Leave it to eyeknow666 to turn a fairly civil thread into more trolling. Sorry, not going to feed.

[hello1234]

Not another one of these threads ! I think everyone should wait before judging too harshly. Everything at the moment is just pure speculation.
The release will probably contain a modest array of new usable features. Some will be Mackie specific (obviously, since they now control the marketing of the sequencer) and some will be more general like the 64 bit summing. Some will appeal and some will not. How many pieces of software can you name that contain absolutely every feature you want in every release version?
Fruity Loops is a really successful and popular piece of software, but it also packs a lot of stuff inside and some of it is next to useless for some people. It doesn't mean that they don't use the program.
If you want to see a piece of software that contains every feature YOU want, I'm afraid you're going to have to make it yourself. And in that case, I look forward to an announcement thread on this here very forum

Steve

Just forget it, since you didn't even take the time to understand me.

Man, you must believe anything you are told

[audiobot202]

Just forget it, since you didn't even take the time to understand me.

Man, you must believe anything you are told

Apparently, if I don't agree with you, I must somehow not have taken the time to understand you. I understand where you're coming from, but I prefer to sit on the fence. I don't work for Mackie so how would I know anything about the full feature set? I think that's pretty logical thinking. And I do believe that I was pretty polite about the whole issue.
I've not been blown away by some of the features so far, it's true, but I expect that there will be more, which I cannot guess at, and my whole point was that plenty of software contains 'features' I don't use, but I still use the program as a whole.
I assue you, I'm definitely not one for believing everything.

If it turns out that what you have been suggesting is true...then...geez, you can say 'I told you so' all around here. But I expect that won't actually fix anything or be constructive in any way.
It's only software after all.