New beta 13.3.11 available

[dRowAudio]

I assume you're using Windows?

13.3.11 was released through the Product Manager today. The same issue exists that I reported several versions back. The Product Manager says the latest version is installed when it is in fact not. It has to be manually installed which makes a Product Manager kind of pointless.

I think this is a long standing issue that happens when you have a "normal" user and a different user as "admin". When you run the DM, it runs as this admin user so the normal user and this admin user actually have different user accounts, different settings files and hence get out of sync.

You can install the latest version however then right click the version number in the DM and choose the "I already have this version" to not be notified about it again.

Also the update broke the Piano Roll Keyboard. Previous versions:


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Version 13.3.11 on two different systems (Win 11 and Win 10)



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Thanks for reporting. Unfortunately I'm not able to reproduce this, do you have Windows scaling set to anything other than 100%? And does it return to normal if you switch to the "Software Renderer" from the "Advanced" settings page?

[dRowAudio]

Version 13.2.0 worked under Windows 8.1, but 13.3.6 and 13.3.11 both install, but fail even before the start banner, with a
"The procedure entry point GetSystemMetricsForDpi could not be located in the dynamic link library c:\program files\tracktion\waveform 13\waveform13.exe". Is there a new Juce .dll assumed that needs to be manually installed?

Unfortunately, Waveform 13 has never been supported on Windows 8.
Windows 10 was released in 2015 making it nearly 10 years old now, we can't support OSes older than that I'm afraid.

[dRowAudio]

It'd sure be nice if the Track Presets I made would show up somewhere, preferably when I select the Tracks category. I'd be willing to accept the Presets category.

Is this a new issue? Can you send me one of the Track presets that doesn't show up (this is probably best done through our support system https://www.tracktion.com/support). Also, where on your OS are the presets saved?

I'm fairly sure they should appear under the "Tracks" browser so that does sound like a bug.

[Teksonik]

I assume you're using Windows?

Yes, two different systems, Win 10 and 11.

I think this is a long standing issue that happens when you have a "normal" user and a different user as "admin". When you run the DM, it runs as this admin user so the normal user and this admin user actually have different user accounts, different settings files and hence get out of sync.

I only have Admin accounts on both systems and the Download Manager runs in the Admin account on both.

You can install the latest version however then right click the version number in the DM and choose the "I already have this version" to not be notified about it again.

It doesn't notify since the DM thinks the latest version is installed when it is not so no reason to notify. The new version can be manually installed so the versions sync up but again that makes the DM kind of pointless. This has occurred going back several versions. I have reported it before in this sub-forum.

Thanks for reporting. Unfortunately I'm not able to reproduce this, do you have Windows scaling set to anything other than 100%? And does it return to normal if you switch to the "Software Renderer" from the "Advanced" settings page?

No I have all settings at 100% scaling. I just checked on this system and it does not make a difference if "Software Renderer" or "Direct 2D" are selected. I'll check on the studio system later today but I assume the results will be the same.

[dRowAudio]

Where is the piano roll in use? In the MIDI clip, the MIDI editor panel or floating MIDI editor?
Perhaps a screenshot with the whole screen would clarify this.

Do you have the DM set to automatically install the software or have you disabled this (from the settings fader icon in the top-right).

[Teksonik]

Where is the piano roll in use? In the MIDI clip, the MIDI editor panel or floating MIDI editor?
Perhaps a screenshot with the whole screen would clarify this.

I just call it the Piano Roll. Notice the missing lines between notes especially between B5 and F#6 (the image is auto resized by the KVR forum):

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Do you have the DM set to automatically install the software or have you disabled this (from the settings fader icon in the top-right).

I have it set to "Install when Download Completes (Auto Install)". I never changed it so I assume it's always been set that way.

[pough]

It'd sure be nice if the Track Presets I made would show up somewhere, preferably when I select the Tracks category. I'd be willing to accept the Presets category.

Is this a new issue?

No, I sent a ticket back in August 2024. It was recommended that I just add the Track presets as Bookmark folders. By the way, I did add another posts here which mentions that any new Track presets I create will show up in the "Tracks" browser, but older ones do not.

Can you send me one of the Track presets that doesn't show up (this is probably best done through our support system https://www.tracktion.com/support). Also, where on your OS are the presets saved?

I could, if you think it would help.

C:\Users\[USERNAME]\AppData\Roaming\Tracktion\Waveform\Presets

There are currently 9 Track presets in that folder. They are all folders that start with the word "Track" and they have .trkpreset files in them. Only the newest one shows up in the "Tracks" browser in Waveform 13.3.11 Pro. It was created using that latest version.

I have attached one of the older Track presets to this post. It does not show up in Waveform 13. It does show up in Waveform 9. It seems to have been created in early 2024, so probably using an earlier version of Waveform 13.

I'm fairly sure they should appear under the "Tracks" browser so that does sound like a bug.

I think it depends on how these presets are scanned. Are they stored as a list somewhere like the scanned plugins are, or does Waveform just scan the presets folder(s) for certain file types? If it's the former, I'm not really surprised. If it's the latter, then something is wrong.

[Teksonik]

Here's a weird one. I can't get Plugin Alliance's channel strips like the Amek 9099 and SSL 4000 to resize larger than 100% in WF Pro 13.3.11 in Windows 11. They will resize in FL Studio on the same system. They will downsize in WF but not upsize.

They are set to 125% and fit just fine on my Win 10 system with WF 13.3.11 and both systems are running at 1920x1080 with all scaling set to default 100%.

Is there something in WF Pro on Win 11 that would limit the max size of a plugin? I've checked every setting I can think of both in WF and Win 11.

I've only been using Win 11 for just over a month so may be missing something.

If anyone who is running Win 11, has WF 13.3.11 installed, and owns any of the Plugin Alliance consoles could test it out to see if they get the same results I'd be grateful.

[operandx]

Here's a weird one. I can't get Plugin Alliance's channel strips like the Amek 9099 and SSL 4000 to resize larger than 100% in WF Pro 13.3.11 in Windows 11. They will resize in FL Studio on the same system. They will downsize in WF but not upsize.

They are set to 125% and fit just fine on my Win 10 system with WF 13.3.11 and both systems are running at 1920x1080 with all scaling set to default 100%.

Is there something in WF Pro on Win 11 that would limit the max size of a plugin? I've checked every setting I can think of both in WF and Win 11.

I've only been using Win 11 for just over a month so may be missing something.

If anyone who is running Win 11, has WF 13.3.11 installed, and owns any of the Plugin Alliance consoles could test it out to see if they get the same results I'd be grateful.

Win 11 here. I have SSL4000E, it resizes up to 125% but not 150% (that would be stupidly large anyway).

[Teksonik]

Win 11 here. I have SSL4000E, it resizes up to 125% but not 150% (that would be stupidly large anyway).

Thanks, what resolution is your monitor? I have the SSL G and J but not the E. On Win 11 they will resize in FL Studio to 125% but won't go past 100% in Waveform at a resolution of 1920x1080.

On Win 10 they will size to 125% in WF Pro 13.3.11 at the same resolution so I don't know what's going on.

I can set them to 125% in FL Studio and save that as a channel preset but then loading them in WF changes the registry entry value from 3 back to 2 (0=50%,1=75% 2,=100% and 3 =125%).

That extra 25% really helps these old eyes.

On the subject of FL's channel presets is there anything similar in WF? To allow for example the automatic loading of a specific patch bank each time the plugin is called up?

[operandx]

1920x1080 here.

[pough]

On the subject of FL's channel presets is there anything similar in WF? To allow for example the automatic loading of a specific patch bank each time the plugin is called up?

You can save a plugin state as a preset in Waveform. Drag that preset to the track (from the Browser pane) and it loads the plugin in that state. You can also save all the plugins on a track - including their states - as a preset (note: it includes the volume and meter). You can also save the entire track including the former as well as all the clips as a preset.

Recommended, as always: open the controls panel at the bottom. When a plugin is selected there is a preset save/load/del control. When a track is selected, there is a Create Preset control that has options for "Track plugins" or "Whole track".

[dysjoint]

Tested a random range of Plugin Alliance stuff. The consoles won't go above 100% here either, Waveform latest, Win 11 latest. It's not all bx_ stuff, some of the others (newer ones?) scale up fine. And the other developers stuff that I tried seemed ok.

[Teksonik]

1920x1080 here.

So we have the same resolution, same OS, same version of WF 13.3.11 but we're getting different results.

There has to be a reason and it might have something to do with settings but I'm at a loss as to which ones. I'll check my Win 11 version, perhaps it's different than yours.

You can save a plugin state as a preset in Waveform. Drag that preset to the track (from the Browser pane)

Thanks but I never have the browser open. I always call up my plugins from the plugin manager list. I haven't found a way to save those entries as a preset but I'll keep looking.

Tested a random range of Plugin Alliance stuff. The consoles won't go above 100% here either, Waveform latest, Win 11 latest. It's not all bx_ stuff, some of the others (newer ones?) scale up fine. And the other developers stuff that I tried seemed ok.

Thanks, so you're getting the same results as I am so I don't know what's going on. Not all Plugin Alliance effects fail to resize. For example the Lindell 50 has a different system and allows us to set a default size where the SSL and AMEK 9099 don't.

So again why the different results between the three of us? Is it a Plugin Alliance issue with Win 11, an issue with WF Pro and Win 11 on some system, or what? Odd issue this one, hard to nail down what's causing it.......

Oh and I tried both VST 2 and 3 versions, no difference here.

[pough]

Thanks but I never have the browser open. I always call up my plugins from the plugin manager list. I haven't found a way to save those entries as a preset but I'll keep looking.

I don't quite understand what you're saying here but I'm guessing that what you want to do the way you want to do it probably isn't possible.