Help - I'm AFRAID of MELDA plugins

[Michael L]

We can NOT remove the folders and presets! Think about it! There may already be something you made... you have no idea how complex this is...

As I said, those are old folders for plugins that I never owned. My point is that you claim that your update removes old junk, but it doesn’t. I have no idea either how to cleanup your complex Melda folder. Nice to see we are both clueless.

[Held]

We can NOT remove the folders and presets! Think about it! There may already be something you made... you have no idea how complex this is...

My point is that you claim that your update removes old junk, but it doesn’t.

They never claimed that. They only said that the new installer installs less. It won't removed any of the old files.

[Michael L]

We can NOT remove the folders and presets! Think about it! There may already be something you made... you have no idea how complex this is...

My point is that you claim that your update removes old junk, but it doesn’t.

They never claimed that. They only said that the new installer installs less.

Untrue.
Melda said a week ago it “optimises” the folder install, in response to Teksonik’s long post that it installs junk.
If every Melda update leaves folders from the previous version, that is not optimal.
Vojtech started doing this to make it easier, but we complained back then it added clutter.

[Held]

We can NOT remove the folders and presets! Think about it! There may already be something you made... you have no idea how complex this is...

My point is that you claim that your update removes old junk, but it doesn’t.

They never claimed that. They only said that the new installer installs less.

Untrue.
Melda said a week ago it “optimises” the folder install, in response to Teksonik’s long post that it installs junk.

If you redefine the meaning of words, you can claim anyone said anything...

[Michael L]

optimize. /ŏp′tə-mīz″/
1. To make as perfect or effective as possible.

In the context of Melda’s response to Teksonik’s post, my definition is correct.

They never claimed that.

You are “gaslighting.” /ˈɡaslʌɪtng/
1. The manipulation of someone into questioning their perception of reality.

Don't be AFRAID!

[Held]

They optimized the installation, not the stuff that was already installed

They never claimed that.

You are “gaslighting.” /ˈɡaslʌɪtng/
1. The manipulation of someone into questioning their perception of reality.

You're quoting me, but talking about yourself. Strange...

[Michael L]

They optimized the installation, not the stuff that was already installed

Ha ha!
You should work for the government.

Each new version first deletes the old version.
It’s step one in the Melda installation.
If it doesn’t, and leaves old MJunk, it’s not optimal.

Don’t be so gullible
You’re the ideal Melda user.

[tonycore]

At the risk of being insulted...

"1. To make as perfect or effective as possible."

I think it's the "as possible" that's the sticking point. It's not possible for them to "optimize" the extra folders in the way we would like, as they've stated. So, "as much as possible" means, to them, what they've done. To us, it means absolute perfection.

[Michael L]

It's not possible for them to "optimize" the extra folders in the way we would like, as they've stated. So, "as much as possible" means, to them, what they've done. To us, it means absolute perfection.

Melda said to Teksonik, "PluginManager optimizes this. But some stuff always need to be installed. Crossedependencies..." But Teksonic says that Melda does not NEED to install so many plugins he never bought!

Melda then said to me, "We can NOT remove the folders and presets! Think about it! There may already be something you made." But I asked that Melda CAN uninstall plugins I never bought (Melda installation begins with uninstall).

None of this makes sense -- unless of course Melda is installing *everything* and leaving it on our hard drives, just because it's easier for them.
Vojtech said that is true, years ago to me, in this forum.
Yet, I still have the right to object!

But Melda will never change.
Their business model is 'Best Features because Worst UX'
Melda must offload some of its labor costs to customers, to make a profit

So, it makes perfect sense for we customers to say, "Help - I'm AFRAID of MELDA plugins"

Therefore, Go in Peace fellow Melda volunteers!

[Nspace]

Michael L, I my agree with some of your (and Teksonic, and Vojtech) points.
Like most expressed in this quote:

Melda said to Teksonik, "PluginManager optimizes this. But some stuff always need to be installed. Crossedependencies..." But Teksonic says that Melda does not NEED to install so many plugins he never bought!

Melda then said to me, "We can NOT remove the folders and presets! Think about it! There may already be something you made." But I asked that Melda CAN uninstall plugins I never bought (Melda installation begins with uninstall).

None of this makes sense -- unless of course Melda is installing *everything* and leaving it on our hard drives, just because it's easier for them.
Vojtech said that is true, years ago to me, in this forum.
Yet, I still have the right to object!

While I digress in others:

But Melda will never change.
Their business model is 'Best Features because Worst UX'

To my eyes, most of the angles at many posts in this thread have some truth, despite apparently being contradictory.
Yes, much seems to be assertions just coming from varying (and valid) perspectives.

Just like tonycore underscores the second part of your enunciated definition of optimization, while he also brings out a different perspective (shared by many Melda users); those who are perfectly happy with the installation as it is:

"1. To make as perfect or effective as possible."
I think it's the "as possible" that's the sticking point. It's not possible for them to "optimize" the extra folders in the way we would like, as they've stated. So, "as much as possible" means, to them, what they've done. To us, it means absolute perfection.

Probably, if you or someone visiting this thread reads trying to spot (and acknowledging) the different angles, one may come out with the sobering notion that several positions may be right and coexist... while still sense the good it makes to express all this.

Because your position at disclosing: "Melda is installing *everything* and leaving it on our hard drives, just because it's easier for them.
Vojtech said that is true, years ago to me, in this forum.
Yet, I still have the right to object!"
...Might be a quite sane angle for the community to include and be noted again.

The 2025 installer was improved(allow me to avoid using the riske word optimized) so it is smaller than what it'd had been if nothing were changed. So there appears to be some response to this ongoing conversation about the installer size.

In encompassing fairness, I feel there is still a lack of context in this particular thread, something that I remember was noted when the installer size was around 600 MBs...
That is, the base argument about the installer rather large size: Melda Software is very different from all the rest, it is developed about its own centralized powerful kernel. So most of the complex and multiple functionalities are shared by most plugins and stem from that central large software.
Thus, what we are really arguing here about is in truth only a fraction of that 1+ GBs mentioned.

///Users like Michael L and Teksonic throw caution to the wind, while some remain quiet and others perfectly happy, most probably preferring that Melda Team devotes its developing efforts elsewhere.
We are a thriving and live community!

[Michael L]

Melda Software is very different from all the rest

Quiz: Are all these preset files & folders part of the "Melda Difference?"
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As you can see, I have been AFRAID of this plugin since 2014

[al808]

Melda Software is very different from all the rest

Quiz: Are all these preset files & folders part of the "Melda Difference?"
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As you can see, I have been AFRAID of this plugin since 2014

Hi Michael, have you tried putting these files you suspect of being unnecessary into a folder on your desktop and see if things are still working, so that you can test things without deleting any files? I can't see any other path to a solution for your issue, even if it's not an ideal one. Cheers Al.

[Michael L]

Hi Michael, have you tried putting these files you suspect of being unnecessary into a folder on your desktop and see if things are still working, so that you can test things without deleting any files?
I can't see any other path to a solution for your issue, even if it's not an ideal one.
Cheers Al.

Thanks, Al.
Yes, I agree. I can cleanup the files that Melda didn't optimize its installer to do.
This is an example of what I said above, that Melda offloads labor costs to its customers.
This frees Melda programmers to make more products, but also makes users... AFRAID!!!