MuLab 10

[liquidsound]

But yes, it can and does crash with naughty plugins.

That’s probably the reason why I’m not experiencing crashes

[syntonica]

But yes, it can and does crash with naughty plugins.

That’s probably the reason why I’m not experiencing crashes

You need to get out more, sir.

[liquidsound]

But yes, it can and does crash with naughty plugins.

That’s probably the reason why I’m not experiencing crashes

You need to get out more, sir.

I do but… my laptop keeps following me

[viceverser]

It indeed sounds like common user feedback. But i don't know what "a UI/UX overhaul" means, it's too abstract for me. It would be helpful to me if you guys would put your heads together and consolidate a concrete shortlist of top prio common UX improvement requests.

Let me finish by thanking you again for your post.

Please allow me to take a brief stab at high level observations/suggestions...

A main one would be visual feedback, when I look at a mux patch, I yearn for visual indicators of signal flow (eg, Bespoke, FL Patcher, Bitwig Grid) also, meters of module activation (I envision a simple blinking light like the round activate/bypass button)

Consistent user edit area... Again I'd refer to Bitwig's edit panel (the contextual pane on the left of screen) or Tracktion Waveforms bottom panel... You always feel like you know where to look for adjustments, no matter what is selected, the common and needed edits are always found in the same place.
Currently it feels like there's a lot of things that are taking up screen real estate that are far less useful than other functions that are buried... Eg, the "Grid section" although very handy, is far less used than many editing functions, like transpose up1/down1/up12/down12 etc, which are buried in a right click fold out with a click "functions" then click to chose, then to repeat or adjust you need to do the right click menu foldout click then click again, that's a BIG ask for midi editing, if these edits were in the "Grid" spot, the amount of redundant clicks being saved would be immense, Now this is a very specific example that may not bother a shortcut demon, but I find it hard to believe anyone would be adjusting their "Grid" more than editing notes.
I personally would like multiple tools (like in FL Studio) in that place to better help the workload, but again, if I'm not being particular, the point is more functional screen real estate, however you tackle that I'm sure it'd be unique and inspiring to use.

Another inconsistency ( or rather a vagueness) is the drag and drop functionality I see in some videos of users, it seems so slick and user friendly, but in practice it seems like that actual use is rather limited, and I find I'm left right clicking, or diving through the Mulab/Project menus and opening/closing drop downs to find what I need... My suggestion for this would be consistency, a great example of this would be Surge XT, who's design ethos is "when in doubt, right click" (not suggesting this for Mulab) where you can right click on pretty much anything and find what you're after.
So I love the drag and drop, I just never know where it'll actually work!

Anyway, we can all nitpick the details, especially me given my design background, but the main points would be
1. Visual Feedback
2. More functional use of screen real estate
3. Input Consistency

Regardless, it's a great little gem, and I've enjoyed playing for a while now.
I hope these suggestions are taken in the spirit they're meant, and are helpful in any way.

This is a GREAT tool, and I'm excited to see how v10 and beyond grows, you've already fixed so many of my inconsistency issues with racks being modular, and the nested front panel is really genius stuff, it's exciting as heck,

Cheers, D.

[tiger001]

Currently it feels like there's a lot of things that are taking up screen real estate that are far less useful than other functions that are buried... Eg, the "Grid section" although very handy, is far less used than many editing functions, like transpose up1/down1/up12/down12 etc, which are buried in a right click fold out with a click "functions" then click to chose, then to repeat or adjust you need to do the right click menu foldout click then click again, that's a BIG ask for midi editing, if these edits were in the "Grid" spot, the amount of redundant clicks being saved would be immense,
Cheers, D.

visual feedback rocks

i agree on the screen estate, could be more usefull filled or layout

can you make a key shortcut to those deep down burried functions ?

[dellboy]

New to Mulab, and trying out the demo. Is it me, or is there no way to see midi and audio data being drawn in real time? Or is there a switch somewhere to turn it on? I play everything in by hand in real time and do not see anything being drawn on screen until I stop recording.

[MuTools]

Indeed new recordings only appear once recording is stopped.
It's only then that is decided where & how the recording will be stored: New clip <> existing clip. Overwrite <> Merge <> ...
More details here: https://www.mutools.com/info/M10/docs/m ... rding.html

[sl23]

I really would like to see buttons added to the front panel mux. Also, drop-down menus would be great to have, perhaps simply drag and drop onto front panel like with knobs.

[sl23]

One major enhancement would be to have the Meta-Parameters in the Mux environment to be listed vertically. Scrolling them horizontally is really awkward. You can then see more at once and access them more easily when dragging and dropping.

[MuTools]

Please allow me to take a brief stab at high level observations/suggestions...

Thx for your post. I'll get back on this soon.

[sl23]

Well, here's my list of FR's I think would help MuLab be more accessible, user friendly and some that add better functionality.

[MuTools]

A main one would be visual feedback, when I look at a mux patch, I yearn for visual indicators of signal flow (eg, Bespoke, FL Patcher, Bitwig Grid) also, meters of module activation (I envision a simple blinking light like the round activate/bypass button)

Confirmed on the wishlist.

Consistent user edit area... Again I'd refer to Bitwig's edit panel (the contextual pane on the left of screen) or Tracktion Waveforms bottom panel... You always feel like you know where to look for adjustments, no matter what is selected, the common and needed edits are always found in the same place.

Where do you inconsistency in the GUI?
"Inconsistency" = at one place is done this way, in another place it's done another way.

Or did you mean "inconsistent" related to your next point:

Currently it feels like there's a lot of things that are taking up screen real estate that are far less useful than other functions that are buried... Eg, the "Grid section" although very handy, is far less used than many editing functions, like transpose up1/down1/up12/down12 etc,

You can easily transpose notes using the event property panel at the bottom of the sequence editor. Also octaves are easy by Shift+clicking in the key field.

which are buried in a right click fold out with a click "functions" then click to chose,

I agree that the sequence functions (except for transposing, cfr tip above) are buried too much. Taken note.

then to repeat or adjust you need to do the right click menu foldout click then click again,

Note that there is a "Repeat Last Function" shortcut option!
I've added it to the default shortcut map as Ctrl+R.
Note this default map is only installed for fresh installations so you'll still have to add the shortcut in an existing MuLab install.

I personally would like multiple tools (like in FL Studio) in that place to better help the workload, but again, if I'm not being particular...

Well i invite you to be particular!
Please be specific about how you would like to improve certain GUI aspects in MuLab.
Adding screen mockups to illustrate it is even more helpful.
I'm curious about it given your design background.
Not that in contrast to some other DAWs i do prefer to keep a rather minimalistic GUI feel.
Too many GUI components give a bloated feel and distract musical inspiration which happens in the heart and soul, not on screen.

If you want to discuss this a bit more private, lets talk via email.
Your choice

Another inconsistency ( or rather a vagueness) is the drag and drop functionality I see in some videos of users, it seems so slick and user friendly, but in practice it seems like that actual use is rather limited, and I find I'm left right clicking, or diving through the Mulab/Project menus and opening/closing drop downs to find what I need... My suggestion for this would be consistency, a great example of this would be Surge XT, who's design ethos is "when in doubt, right click" (not suggesting this for Mulab) where you can right click on pretty much anything and find what you're after. So I love the drag and drop, I just never know where it'll actually work!

I'm sorry but this feedback is too vague for me.
Which drag-drop action is missing or not clear to you?

Anyway, we can all nitpick the details, especially me given my design background, but the main points would be
1. Visual Feedback

Point taken.

2. More functional use of screen real estate

Please be specific, preferrably with screen mockups.

3. Input Consistency

What do you mean with this?

Regardless, it's a great little gem, and I've enjoyed playing for a while now.
I hope these suggestions are taken in the spirit they're meant, and are helpful in any way.

Absolutely! Thank you.
I hope my return questions above don't feel rejective, i'm trying to make things concrete!

This is a GREAT tool, and I'm excited to see how v10 and beyond grows, you've already fixed so many of my inconsistency issues with racks being modular, and the nested front panel is really genius stuff, it's exciting as heck,

Thanks.

[AlvanMerri]

I think UI elements could use a tooltip field, displayed on hover
some elements already incorporate that but it could be generalized to make documentation more easily accessible in a way
This would be especially useful if it could be customised in front panels because sometimes the name of a knob can only get you so far

apart from that, this is more of a feature request but modulation clips could benefit from having a customisable value grid
the temporal grid is already great, but manually adjusting point values can get tedious, so being able to snap to lines for those as well would be welcome.

[MuTools]

this is more of a feature request but modulation clips could benefit from having a customisable value grid, the temporal grid is already great, but manually adjusting point values can get tedious, so being able to snap to lines for those as well would be welcome.

Right-click the envelope editor -> Set Value Grid.

[AlvanMerri]

Ah indeed, although it could benefit from more options
particularly for filters where I'd want it to match the frequencies of notes